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Scott Morrissey
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 5:58am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The character of Luke Skywalker really took a hit in this film.

To me he was written completely out of character, as to what we saw in the original trilogy. He saw a spark of good in Vader and was willing to bet his life on that. And Vader was at that point the most evil character in the galaxy other than Palpatine.

Yet we learn in The Last Jedi that he was willing to murder, Ben Solo in his sleep. Which is really a low act, he felt no good in Ben ... when Ben/Kylo was talking about his inner conflict to Han Solo! And it was also on display in The Last Jedi.

After attempting to murder his nephew, Luke goes into hiding/exile. Removes himself from a new conflict, where if he participated he could have prevented the destruction of several worlds and the new Republic.

Not sure I'll watch this movie again at the cinema. Actually this makes Attack of the Clones look very good. And I never thought I'd say that. What they did to Luke. Horrific is the word that comes to my mind.

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I said this yesterday and I couldn't believe I said it as I have been quite vocal about people who would not let go of the old EU.

But ... I prefer the old EU now. At least there Luke got married, had a child and created a legacy for the Jedi. He had tragedy but he had good as well. I want that Luke back please
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 7:27am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I liked the movie enough. I felt it was too long and I did feel that Luke was out of character for much of it. I enjoyed the action and am looking forward to progressing the stories of Rey, Poe, and Finn. 

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Initial reaction was that I loved it! There was so much to it that I’ve got
to digest it a little. Taking the kids next week.

Any “Empire Strikes Back Again” is completely misplaced.

I will also say that I have faith in Johnson to launch a new trilogy, but I
can see why Mark Hamill had a problem with Luke’s story.
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Not sure what movie you were watching. I just got back. Walked through the Galaxy Casino in Macau sniffling like a baby. The symbolic ending completely crushed me. Since the age of 10 I have been a Luke man. Han Solo always left me cold. The last scene with Luke was inspired. 
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 9:22am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Lots of character development that I liked, but a really weak story.  My wife and I left feeling disappointed.  Maybe if they removed all the parts with Finn and Rose (which had zero impact on the story, when all was said and done; they burned up a lot of screen time for a mission that went absolutely nowhere) and improved the dialogue in Luke's bits, and maybe if so many new characters weren't complete ciphers...  then I would have liked it a lot better.

Somebody tell me why Laura Dern kept her plan a secret from everyone else?  Was she just trying to  keep everyone under her command demoralized and terrified?
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My main issue (much like Scott's) with Luke was that he wanted to kill Ben because he'd seen that he was already lost to Snoke. Even though he said that it was only for a moment, the guy who believed that Darth Vader could be saved from the Dark Side decides to kill his nephew in his sleep and basically creates Kylo Ren. Luke had some great moments at the end that worked for me (I'm a Luke guy as well) but I didn't like the "moment of weakness" that has resulted in the deaths of so many as well as Han Solo.
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 10:08am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Well, I certainly didn't like it as much as I'd hoped. All that business in and around the casino brings the film to a screeching halt for pretty much no reason. 
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 12:59pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Will watch again saturday.
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 QUOTE:
My main issue (much like Scott's) with Luke was that he wanted to kill Ben because he'd seen that he was already lost to Snoke. Even though he said that it was only for a moment, the guy who believed that Darth Vader could be saved from the Dark Side decides to kill his nephew in his sleep and basically creates Kylo Ren.

I feel this is a bit of an overstatement. He freaked out for half a second, and I thought it was probably the most real expression of the Light Side/Dark Side struggle that Luke and the other Jedi have struggled with.

I had more issue with Luke being so slow to help Leia. Despite his guilt and his desire to let the Jedi end, I felt he should have jumped at the chance to help her.

I totally understand Mark Hamill's comments about disagreeing with the development of Luke's character, but at the same time, it's completely in line with what we were left with by the end of TFA, so I can't fault Johnson.
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Maybe if they removed all the parts with Finn and Rose (which had zero impact on the story, when all was said and done; they burned up a lot of screen time for a mission that went absolutely nowhere) and improved the dialogue in Luke's bits, and maybe if so many new characters weren't complete ciphers...  then I would have liked it a lot better.

I struggled with the middle section as well. I loved the opening sequence and almost everything after Rey is brought to Snoke, but that middle just felt so slooooow.
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

My biggest issue with the movie, is the
realization that Han's dice are actually
still on Ack-tu. As far as Luke being
written out of character, I disagree.
You're dealing with a man how bought his
own hype about being the hero of the
galaxy. That belief lead him to think he
had the right to kill his own nephew. He
lives alone in shame. Nobody here has ever
known somebody who was not the same person
they knew 30 years ago?
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

I mainly enjoyed act 1 and 3. The whole mid-section of the film with the casino did not feel like Star Wars to me at all, but something from an early Harry Potter film, and I was utterly bored. Also, a whole bunch of star destroyers couldn´t take out a few rebel ships for hours on end? Really??? I wish they would have fleshed out more about Luke’s past, and I think this trilogy’s biggest missed opportunity was not to have the trinity of Luke, Han and Leia reunited at some point.
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 5:38pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

Sad to think that it's possible that Leia would have survived throughout this trilogy, but the real-life passing of Carrie Fisher means it's now likely Leia will die offscreen. No matter what, we won't get to see her again, except in flashback, or such.
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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 6:48pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

The whole ‘car chase’ makes zero sense to me. Do a flipping micro jump and get ahead of them and the blast them out of the cosmos.
I cannot believe how long that chase went on. People literally fly to another planet and have a mini adventure while an entire fleet chase a ship without once doing a micro jump.

Just one of my problems with this film.
There are good bits, but the bad outweigh the good in my memory.
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Wow, I'm still avoiding spoilers and averting my eyes from the posts above, but I'm kind of stunned & shocked at just how ANGRY some of the user reviews are over at IMDb... I'm not reading the full posts, but the subject lines alone are quite the eye-opener.

Is THE LAST JEDI somehow shaping-up to be the most divisive STAR WARS movie ever made...?



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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

Another thing that stuck out to me...  was it because I was sitting too close to the screen, or are there some really bad green screen effects in this movie, also?

Edit: This movie also suffers from the time lapse problem that plagues Empire...  where Luke trains to be a Jedi in the time it takes Han Solo to fly from Hoth to Bespin.

Here, Rey trains with Luke in the eighteen hours Finn and Rose have to complete their mission.


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Posted: 16 December 2017 at 9:47am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

So...the new bombers were like my favorite thing in the movie, but they seem to be pretty ridiculous from a scientific viewpoint (even within a universe that has a lot of weird stuff going on). Does anyone know if the creators came up with some sort of excuse for the bombs working in the absence of gravity?
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Posted: 16 December 2017 at 10:20am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

One thing I loved about this film is the
director reminding the audience, who the
storyteller is. JB once talked about this.
We as fans, become invested in these
characters and tend to think we have a
dialogue with the creators, on what and
how things should happen.

But it's not a dialogue, it's a monologue.
They are the storytellers and we are the
audience. Rian Johnson took the three
biggest TFA/TLJ theories, "Who's Rey's
parents?","Who is Snoke?" and "Will Luke
take the lightsaber?", and threw them to
the side. Or...over the shoulder, if you
will.

In doing so, there's a bit of using fan
speculation as a sort of slight of hand,
to deliver the actual story, as well as a
bit of putting fans in there place.
We are the audience. As much as we want to
speculate about the story, he's the
storyteller.

Edited by Stephen Churay on 16 December 2017 at 10:25am
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