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Brian O'Neill Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 05 July 2017 at 1:25am | IP Logged | 1
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Nobody here has said that.Frankly, with a farewell speech to an unconscious 'non-listener', Bill had the worst companion departure of all...and every 'NuWho' companion departure has blown galactic chunks. This was worse than 'leaving Rose behind a barrier', or 'locking Amy and Rory in a room', or 'wiping Donna's memory for her own good', and even worse than 'Martha joining Torchwood, never actually shown working for them, and never being mentioned because Freema went to 'Law and Order UK'.This even surpasses the dumbest 'companion farewell' in the history of the classic series. Yes, Bill's lame goodbye was on the juvenile level of 1966's 'The War Machines', with 'Dodo has decided to stay in London, and she sends her love.'
Why is Moffatt so obsessed with denying the Doctor an opportunity to just say 'goodbye' to a companion? 'Not allowed to remember' Clara, and now...whatever this is?
Edited by Brian O'Neill on 05 July 2017 at 1:29am
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 05 July 2017 at 9:10am | IP Logged | 2
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I wonder if Moffat can't conceive of the circumstances where somebody would willingly stop riding on the TARDIS?
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Bob Simko Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 05 July 2017 at 9:13am | IP Logged | 3
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wonder if Moffat can't conceive of the circumstances where somebody would willingly stop riding on the TARDIS? ******************
Would you??
You'd have to pry me out of it if I were a companion!!
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 05 July 2017 at 9:57am | IP Logged | 4
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I've been trying to come up with a good reason, and I think it would take like a year of consecutive boring and miserable adventures that threatened death and caused bodily harm, with no respite whatsoever, with a Doctor played by the likes of Jim Carrey, and even under those circumstances I'd be more inclined to see if I could knock out the Doctor with a sock full of quarters and take off in the TARDIS on my own before saying, "Fuck it. I'm close enough to Los Angeles. Let me out."
Even then the presence of just about any companion aside from Catherine Tate would be enough to tip the scales towards tolerating the occasional Cyber-conversion.
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Matthew Wilkie Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 05 July 2017 at 2:40pm | IP Logged | 5
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... and even worse than 'Martha joining Torchwood, never actually shown working for them, and never being mentioned because Freema went to 'Law and Order UK'.
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IIRC when Martha left se was recommended to join UNIT, who we saw her operating for in the next series. Whilst there had been an intent for her to join Torchwood, I'm not sure this was ever explicitly mentioned in DW although she did appear in some Torchwood episodes and an audio play.
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Brian O'Neill Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 05 July 2017 at 4:10pm | IP Logged | 6
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I haven't re-watched most of the '21st century' episodes', but I thought there was something about Martha joining Torchwood in one of hr last 'DW' episodes. According to Russell Davies' book 'The Writer's Tale', there were several other appearances that were scrapped after Freema moved on(one of those episodes 'replaced' Martha with the Brigadier).
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Eric Russ Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 06 July 2017 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | 7
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I loved this season...Bill, Nardole and The Doctor.
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 08 July 2017 at 2:12pm | IP Logged | 8
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My feeling is,if you`re going to introduce a new companion just to turn her into a Cyberman,at least give us time to get attached to her,then have the balls to make it permanent.
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Matthew Wilkie Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 10 July 2017 at 2:43pm | IP Logged | 9
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My feeling is,if you`re going to introduce a new companion just to turn her into a Cyberman,at least give us time to get attached to her,then have the balls to make it permanent.
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Agree on both counts.
It frustrates me when a character is introduced only to be changed. It happens a lot in films with little time to establish someone before we are then required to have empathy with them.
And the saving of Bill (into a water sprite or some such nonsense) robbed us of the ending that had clearly been set up over two episodes.
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Jozef Brandt Byrne Robotics Member

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I mentioned this in the Moffat Does Dracula thread, but a friend sent me a link to a video on YouTube called Sherlock is Garbage, and Here's Why, and it really is an overview of Moffat's storytelling. (With long digressions on both Doctor Who and Jekyll). It is not concise, it's over an hour long, but it definitely puts into (strong) words how I feel about Moffat as a showrunner.
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Brian Skelley Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 24 July 2017 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 11
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The trailer for the Christmas episode it up LINK. I'm not sure how well it'll go, but I'm also not so hot on the idea of recasting old Doctors with current actors just so I can play with continuity.
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Anthony J Lombardi Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 24 July 2017 at 1:59pm | IP Logged | 12
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but I'm also not so hot on the idea of recasting old Doctors with current actors just so I can play with continuity.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ David Bradley sold me on him being William Hartnell during the An Adventures in Space and Time special that BBC did a few years ago.
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 24 July 2017 at 2:07pm | IP Logged | 13
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I liked the transition from Hartnell to Bradley, black and white to colour.
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Matthew Wilkie Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 30 July 2017 at 5:59am | IP Logged | 14
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I liked the transition from Hartnell to Bradley, black and white to colour.
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I agree it is a nice touch - indeed, it's a good looking trailer. What could possibly go wrong ...
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Byron Graham Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 30 July 2017 at 10:21am | IP Logged | 15
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What could possibly go wrong ... --------------
We go full Moffat.
Bradley regenerates into Jodie Whittaker.
Capaldi regenerates into Clara.
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Matthew Wilkie Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 30 July 2017 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 16
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We go full Moffat.
Bradley regenerates into Jodie Whittaker.
Capaldi regenerates into Clara.
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In all seriousness, did we ever see the first Doctor regenerate into the second?
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Brian O'Neill Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 30 July 2017 at 10:35am | IP Logged | 17
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Yes, it was the cliffhanger for the end of THE TENTH PLANET. The Target book didn't show it, preferring to have Ben and Polly find the Doctor soon after the change.
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Byron Graham Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 30 July 2017 at 10:56am | IP Logged | 18
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The clip of the first Doctor's regeneration can be viewed here.
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Dave Phelps Byrne Robotics Member

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The only regeneration we didn't see at all was 2nd to 3rd. (The 2nd's last episode had him spiraling away and the 3rd's first episode started with him falling out of the TARDIS.)
They had to fake it for the 6th to 7th and (sigh) the War Doctor to the 9th, though.
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