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James Woodcock
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David did exactly to Elizabeth Shaw what everyone with half a brain thought he would do to her when she got on that ship.

Thus proving Elizabeth Shaw had less than half a brain.
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So your answer is A or C, right ? (just trying to be as smart-ass as you, M. Woodcock, but less insulting)

Still, as much as I know he killed her, the fate of Dr. Shaw intrigues me as I felt more than a little disturbed thinking she could have been a living test-subject for David's experiences (I'm getting too soft in my old age).
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He used and killed her Fabrice.

I know I'm being smart ass and insulting, but that's how this film makes me When I talk about it, just as Prometheus does. There is nothing, nothing in either of these films that I think is a good decision - by the film makers, by the characters, by me for seeing them. 

These films annoy me more than Alien3 which at least had incredible sound design. These are just bad character decision followed by bad character decision followed by change of plot followed by downgrading of the alien itself to being an android's weapon. Which is the ultimate nail in this coffin for me.

It makes me so angry
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Happy 38th Birthday, ALIEN! Too bad your party sucks.
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This was not a good film. Parts were slick, parts were scary, but overall it was very derivative and very, very dumb. 

Dumbest part, the 1st:
Capt. Dum-Dum decides to go off-mission to check out the mystery planet. Daniels literally says, "Hey, we spent all of our time collecting data from, preparing for, and training to go to the colony planet. What the hell are you thinking?" And then the rest of the crew, who it has already been established doesn't like/respect Capt. Dum-Dum, says, "We're with you. Let's waste all of our time, training, and the company's money to go to the mystery planet."

Dumbest part, the 2nd:
At mystery planet, the entire landing party, without collecting any data on biology/organisms, trots out with no protective suits. 

The high point of the film for me was Danny McBride. I'm a fan to begin with so that may be why I thought he was the most interesting character. The part where he reacted to his wife's death was the best acting in the film.

Also startling: a woman brought what I'm guessing to be her 10-year-old son to the showing I was at. What the hell are people thinking? 
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I usually hate Danny McBride's overall acting persona, and I agree he was a high point. Although I liked the movie much more than you did.
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Prometheus lost me with it`s dumbest bit...alien
hatchling that looks very much like a Cobra,crew member
goes to pet it and talk to it as if it`s a puppy.
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It's like how on The Walking Dead takes place in a parallel universe where the zombie genre doesn't exist in popular culture. In the universe of Prometheus there are no science fiction or horror films, so nobody's conditioned to realize they're going to die horribly simply by virtue of venturing into space.
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I really wish Fox had went with the 'Alien 5' idea that was going to follow on from Aliens. I know they were some folks that were upset at it possibly overuling the continuity of Alien 3 & 4, but Convenant has also screwed up the continuity. Not only does it not synch up with AVP and Alien, where the derelict spaceship haven been on LV 426 for centuries at least. (With 15-20 foot Engineer pilots too.) But it doesn't even follow on correctly from Prometheus.

IIRC there was a scene in the last movie where you saw a depiction of the xenomorph Alien on the walls. So effectively David couldn't create it. At best he would be copying the work of the Engineers. So why they didn't have some lines alluding to this, instead of the route chosen is just baffling.
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Looks & sounds like COVENANT is turning out to be huge dud at the box office (at least in the States).

What a way to run this franchise straight into the ground...



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Covenant ruined Prometheus for me. I liked the ending of Prometheus, with Elizabeth Shaw bravely heading off in search of the engineers. For her to end up as David's science experiment is a downer. I've had this idea of the xenomorphs' armored form and their facehuggers terrifying the galaxy since the distant past. For it to be David's twist on things is another let down. Otherwise it was an acceptable addition to Aliens. The continuity problems Covenent has with previous films doesn't bother me ... cuz I suck at noticing these things. It probably would have better if there were fewer crew members with more interesting personalities. 

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Prometheus was terrible but Covenant was worse. Too many things were
telegraphed, like the nail necklace will be used to fight the villian/alien.
Then there is Walter coming back to fight David after being dead a movie
cliché used way too much. And the twist at the end wasn't that much of a
surprise, Walter turning out to be David.

The worst parts of the film:
Landing party embarking on a new planet, without protective suits. All those
scientists and not one with a fucking brain.
Huge ship with two thousand colonists and only one ship for flying down to
a planet. Anyone ever hear of the Titantic?
Two thousand colonists and only one android running the ship. Every heard
of backup? He would be overseeing all the humans for at least 8 or 9 years.

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Getting really tired of hearing "Well, it wouldn't BE a horror film if the characters acted smart in the first place..."

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Pondering about this whole messy alien universe, I think the onlly path left to clear some things would be to show that two "races" of alien exist, one scientifically breeded by David, and the other "naturally" breeded with alien queens. Maybe a war between species with humans caught in the middle would make for an interesting development ?
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Pondering about this whole messy alien universe, I think the onlly path left
to clear some things would be to show that two "races" of alien exist, one
scientifically breeded by David, and the other "naturally" breeded with alien
queens. Maybe a war between species with humans caught in the middle
would make for an interesting development ?


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No, have someone wake up and realize Alien 3 thru Covenant was just a
bunch of bad fucking dreams. Alien and Aliens are really the only two films
that should be kept. The rest should be burned and anyone wanting to write
another prequel or sequel be shot.

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I went to see this opening weekend with a couple of friends and was pretty excited despite not really enjoying much about Prometheus. About forty minutes in, my excitement turned to bitter disappoint and it only went downhill from there. About the only things I can say I enjoyed about this was Danny McBride, the opening sequence between David and his creator, and roughly the first thirty or forty minutes of the film before the "Aliens" show up. This should not have even been called an Alien film; it should have been called Prometheus 2. Anyone going in to see this without having seen Prometheus is going to be utterly lost and confused once David shows up. It wasn't in the least bit scary. The action wasn't tense. There was zero suspense. And as people have stated, they telegraphed every single "surprise" in the movie including the big twist at the end. This film makes Alien 3 look really good in comparison. Someone should seriously take the Alien keys away from Ridley Scott and let another director take a stab at it or just retire the concept altogether. 
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Thought it was better and more coherent than Prometheus.
I didn't like the overly CGI Xenomorphs at all. They
were so distracting, they pulled me out of the movie
almost every time they were on screen. I really wish
they had gone back to a skinny tall guy in a prop suit.
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