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but it makes me wish that JB was on working on a monthly title at the one of the Big 2!

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But what is there? Even if I was interested in working for Marvel and/or DC again, what would I do?

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Especially nice (of a tremendously nice piece!) is the fact that Starfire is NOT drawn with a symmetrical costume... just as every other artist seemed to, and in the manner Perez DIDN'T.
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Really?  I never realized that.  Do you have an image of how Perez drew it?  I'm having a hard time finding where that stands out.  
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The asymmetry in Starfire's costume is minor, as noted. She has a band around her left upper arm, but not her right. This is the kind of thing that can cause some artists to go into autopilot, and just duplicate whatever is on one side to the other.

The real difference in Starfire, that 90% of artists miss, is that she had a very distinctive face. George designed her at the beginning of what would become his lifelong quest to give all the characters distinctive faces. and most artists, when drawing her, lapse into "hot babe" mode and lose her unique features.

Add the tendency to draw slutty "bad girls" and George's character is pretty much scrubbed away.

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Gotcha.  I had noted the arm band but thought that asymmetry extended to the body of the costume.  Thank you.
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And meanwhile...

WTF???

I guess this is not all that recent, since it has the partially unwrapped toilet seat bullet.

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But what is there? Even if I was interested in working for Marvel and/or DC again, what would I do?-JB
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A Deadman series?.

(Not looking to derail the thread but seriously couldn't walk by that comment...I know, I'm weak!)


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And meanwhile...

WTF???

It might be just me, but I find that 'new' costume (and face) rather generic. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but George's Starfire felt so cool and interesting to me as a teen, both as a design and a character.

And why is she using magic bolts??? (heh)



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Beautiful. 
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"George designed her at the beginning of what would become his lifelong quest to give all the characters distinctive faces."

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His Starfire had one of the most innocent-looking female faces I've ever seen. I had always assumed that he took a cue from your Storm, especially for the eyes.
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Starfire is one of those characters that's so associated with one artist that I find it hard to see her drawn by almost anyone else 
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Starfire has had at least 3 or 4 different costumes (though one was pretty similar to the original, and may have just come about due to an artist being lazy), but she looks generic on that cover. Like someone cosplaying as her....
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Oh dear I miss all these characters so much. Thankd you for making these people come back to life...
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I love the way Cyborg is handling that I-beam.
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ITEM: Brian Floyd: "Starfire has had at least 3 or 4 different costumes"

Yes, but WHY? Unless I'm misremembering, there were only three characters who regularly had different costumes*: the Wasp, Iron Man (not all that regularly, either), and Robby Reed. There was an element of recognizability, in that I KNEW that everyone would look the same issue to issue. When Wonder Girl, Hakweye or Green Arrow had a different look, it was kind of a big deal.

These days? I can't imagine Iron Man is drawn the same from issue to issue, and it seems every artist gets to redesign heroes at the drop of a cape.

*Yes, characters like Lois Lane, Iris Allen, Pepper Potts, et. al. had different clothing - but they weren't wearing a uniform. And even then, Elastic Lad always looked the same, and even Rick Jones kind of had the same clothes in every appearance.

ITEM: It seems that drawing Starfire anymore requires three things; gold skin, dark orange hair, and enormous breasts. And maybe some purple aspect to her costume. Then again, what female hero WASN'T subjected to "having work done." I'm rather amazed that DC never teamed up Starfire and Power Girl in a battle of the boobies.

That's part of the charm of this commission, and really every one of Mr. Byrne's pieces. You know who you're looking at, and you know that if they're humanoid, they look like REAL people. Of varying physical types, but REAL. (Mr. Perez manages that too. And Curt Swan... ah, Curt Swan. Drew everybody looking like the world outside your window.)

It doesn't have to be photo-realistic... but perhaps lifelike could be sufficient.
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The whole piece is amazing, but the dynamic between Cyclops and Havoc is my favorite part.  




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AWESOME commission piece, JB!!! Love this era of Teen Titans AND X-Men and I agree with the comments made about Starfire.

As I've often said on the forum, I always wished for a proper X-MEN/NEW TEEN TITANS crossover co-plotted and drawn by JB and George Pérez.

(Similar to what you both did with Action Comics #600)

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Charles,

In many ways, that would be a good pencil (as oppose to a mic) drop moment for JB.
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Gorgeous piece!
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Wait… Someone else remembers these guys are supposed to be teens? So I'm
not alone...
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But what is there? Even if I was interested in working for Marvel and/or DC
again, what would I do?



How about John Byrne Presents… The Marvel Universe?

I'd much rather see you continue to do great things at IDW, but if you
did do more work for Marvel, a title like this might give you enough
flexibility/variety to keep you interested.
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I feel bad for what Magneto is about to do to Cyborg…..



I was thinking the same thing, Vinny...

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I'm with Wallace and Vinny  (^_^)
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Excellent commission!
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A beautiful piece. I especially like the lower portion with the brothers, Cyborg and Magneto. Brings back fond memories of a wonderful time in comics.
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That Starfire cover just looks like a Phoenix with a spray tan.

The Starfire depicted upon this commission is an absolute classic cutie
pie alien next door, just like she oughta be!
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