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Andrew Bitner Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 01 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 7467
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Posted: 01 June 2017 at 10:42am | IP Logged | 1
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JB: Trades should be strictly after-market, intended for audiences years down the line. *** Agree completely. As it is, they come out the week after (or sometimes the SAME week) as the last issue of what's being collected.
I once suggested to a (now former) Senior VP at DC that monthlies should have all the extra goodies--sketchbook pages, interviews, "behind the scenes", etc.--and TPBs would have ONLY the pages with the story, zero extras. It would give readers more reason to collect the monthlies. He thought it was a great idea. Wish they'd implemented it.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 01 June 2017 at 5:15pm | IP Logged | 2
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"Writing for the trade" is the "enemy". Even the dimmest readers eventually realize there's no point to spending $25 for multiple issues containing parts of a story that will eventually be collected.
This is why the monthly issues themselves have to be written as complete packages (no more than two issues to a story, no counting subplots) so that readers will still be drawn to them. ======= I trying to stroke your ego, but I really liked the "formula" you had on Fantastic Four, JB.
The stories seemed to take place over two issues but the two previous issues gave a subplot that became the next story. If you missed those issues, you weren't at a disadvantage. But, if you did read it, you were hooked and felt you NEEDED to read the next story. I went through that whole run and the pacing and subplot overlap seemed completely thought out. Working on my current project, I'm using it as a template.
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Mike Norris Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4274
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Posted: 01 June 2017 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | 3
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It's taken six issues for Jen Walters to turn into the Hulk in the lasted (She-)Hulk relaunch.
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John Byrne
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Joined: 11 May 2005 Posts: 132133
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 7:10am | IP Logged | 4
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I trying to stroke your ego, but I really liked the "formula" you had on Fantastic Four, JB.The stories seemed to take place over two issues but the two previous issues gave a subplot that became the next story. If you missed those issues, you weren't at a disadvantage. But, if you did read it, you were hooked and felt you NEEDED to read the next story. I went through that whole run and the pacing and subplot overlap seemed completely thought out. Working on my current project, I'm using it as a template. •• I hope the second word above is a missing "not"! Anyway, I did use a formula on FF, and for me at least it worked quite well. Basically, each story ran three issues, with the second issue introducing a subplot that would become the main story in the fourth issue, etc.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 7:12am | IP Logged | 5
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It's taken six issues for Jen Walters to turn into the Hulk in the lasted (She-)Hulk relaunch. •• There used to be a writer up at Marvel whom people would kid because every time someone pointed out something he was doing repeatedly it would become his "thing" and he would do it even MORE! This seems to characterize Marvel as a whole, these days.
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Craig Bogart Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 18 June 2008 Posts: 407
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 11:24am | IP Logged | 6
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If they abandoned the monthlies and just shifted to quarterly trades, I could live with that; what puzzles me about writing/waiting for the trade, is that 144 decompressed pages is STILL a ripoff even in trade form. I once sat down with a collection and added up the unnecessary full/double page splashes and they amounted to two full chapters/issues worth of story that could have been included. Why people who "wait for the trade" are okay with that puzzles me.
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11245
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 11:34am | IP Logged | 7
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I feel that Marvel made a big mistake in employing `Novelists` like Bendis to write comics,they have no concept of brevity and moving the story along.His trademark of pages of talking heads is just boring.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 11:56am | IP Logged | 8
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How is Marvel doing these days, in terms of getting those "monthlies" out, well, monthly? Cuz I've been saying for decades that I can't imagine Marvel getting 100 page trades out on time , given their record with 22(?) page half-tabs.
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Jason Larouse Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 02 June 2017 at 1:45pm | IP Logged | 9
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How is Marvel doing these days, in terms of getting those "monthlies" out, well, monthly? Cuz I've been saying for decades that I can't imagine Marvel getting 100 page trades out on time , given their record with 22(?) page half-tabs
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The idea of artists having long runs is basically unheard of now. Artists change almost every story arc now so that the books can be put out on time. There are a still artists who are exceptions, but they are almost all artists who started in the 90s or earlier.
Even then, the last two Marvel events had major delays. They both also ended up having to add in extra issue at the end, which seems like terrible planning to me.
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