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Joe S. Walker
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I don't think she's a lesbian, it's just very poor artwork.
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Drew Spence
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So if the hyper-sexualized female is supposed to attract horny teen boys, what kind of character would you draw/create to attract lesbians?
Not BE a lesbian, but be attractive to lesbians?
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John Byrne
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So if the hyper-sexualized female is supposed to attract horny teen boys, what kind of character would you draw/create to attract lesbians?Not BE a lesbian, but be attractive to lesbians? •• I may be totally off track, here, but I assume Lesbians would be attracted to more or less the same things heterosexual males find attractive. The big-boobed, broken-backed females we see in comics are more about the maturity of the intended audience, not the sexual orientation. (One of the first fan drawings I saw of Alpha Flight had Marina with gigantic knockers. Not at all the character. And look quickly DC converted Cassie Sandsmark into jail bait.)
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John Byrne
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That first image, up there...... Is she sneaking up on a transparent figure, or is someone casting a shadow with glowing eyes?
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Drew Spence
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I feel uncomfortable discussing this to this degree, but many couples are comprised of one girly girl and the butch-half...
Two CUTE girlie-girls together is the stuff of male fantasies.
So a girl who is not out of the closet- still looks girlie girl or the undercover woman wearing men's clothes.
Men's haircuts etc...
True these are stereotypes...but yeah...
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Joe Smith
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I understand the haircut.
Danvers is a Captain.
She's CAPTAIN Marvel now, not MS. Marvel.
It's a military thing. If you've read the books, you'd see that she's the
leader of the charge in space the way Captain America is on Earth.
I think there's still a woman under that uniform.
I love love love women with short hair. Aurora!? Loved it.
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Eric Jansen
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That first image, up there...... Is she sneaking up on a transparent figure, or is someone casting a shadow with glowing eyes?
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It's a shadow...but the villain has two holes in his head for the light to go through?
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Joe Zhang
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There are quite a few fans upset with Marvel's recent editorial tilt to the Far Left. I'm not one of them; Marvel can do whatever they want with their hollow shell of a comics company. I'm just astonished at how self-destructive they have become.
Carol Danvers has never been a very popular character. It's probably the super-sexy look that Dave Cockrum invented for Ms. Marvel that saved the character from being forgotten. If Marvel wants to sell a Carol Danvers book, they have to get everyone on board. Cheesecake fans, feminists, anybody. But they go and portray her in a way that's sure to repulse most of the character's followers. And Captain Marvel is a book Marvel delivers less than 20,000 copies to stores, and probably sells even less. Just to get a nod of approval from the Left? Sheer madness.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 14 September 2017 at 7:19pm
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Wallace Sellars
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I dig Marvel's Captain Marvel's (ha) new look when drawn by certain
artists. I'm also one of the few people who like her original uniform
more than the black one.
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Eric Jansen
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That's a good point, Joe Zhang. Quite possibly the only reason that the Ms. Marvel character has had any long-lasting fan base is because Dave Cockrum gave her one of the very best costumes in comics history! But that character is gone now--the classic cool blonde Ms. Marvel in the awesome costume is gone, probably forever.
Whether you hate her or love her, the new female Captain Marvel is practically a new character. When she first premiered, the new Captain had one of the WORST costumes! Thanks goodness they got rid of that horrible helmet. I still don't love it, and I will forever miss the Cockrum version, but the new version CAN be presented pretty nicely. And for proof that she's not always androgynous-- 
And for the movie, Bree Larson certainly isn't androgynous either, so that's something.
Edited by Eric Jansen on 14 September 2017 at 8:02pm
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Michael Roberts
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Yeah, there are plenty of examples of Captain Marvel looking feminine with her new uniform and haircut. Joe's examples are like cherrypicking old X-Force panels to prove Marvel doesn't like feet.
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Eric Jansen
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| Posted: 14 September 2017 at 8:42pm | IP Logged | 12
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Well, I do wonder (and I forgot to mention this when I posted the statue pic) if Marvel is marketing the "sexy" statues to a certain audience (perhaps older, more well-off, male fans with more disposable income) while the comics are aimed at a different audience (younger, progressive, female and/or "diverse").
Which goes to show yet another example of a fractured Marvel.
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