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Matt Reed
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 Shane Matlock wrote:
I would say this could be the end of Spacey's career, but Rob Lowe was able to have sex with a 16 year old girl on videotape and has still had quite the career since, and the aforementioned R. Kelly did the same with a 14 year old girl and had little repercussions from it. Although both were part of a different era than the current climate.

As you mention: different era, different climate.

It's no surprise that Warner Brothers ISN'T putting Joss Whedon front and center in its marketing of JUSTICE LEAGUE.  What would have been considered a coup in any other year but this by getting the director of the AVENGERS movies to direct their rivals signature team, Whedon is now an anchor.  DC/Warners doesn't want him within a thousand feet of their film for fear accusations will resurface about their director's own predilection toward unwanted sexual advances of women.  
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That old chesnut `Seeking help` how hard is it to keep
your hands to yourself and your dick in your trousers?
Us mere mortals seem to manage it quite easily! Power
does indeed seem to corrupt! Been reading about Spacey
in the papers,it appears it`s been an open secret for
years during his time at The Old Vic that he had a
predilection for young men under 30,then there was that
`Mugging` in the park at 4.30am a few years ago.Although
one paper had it that one of his accusers is a `Star
Wars` actor...doh!
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Im not so sure mere mortals always manage it easily Bill. Rape, spiked drinks, stalkers etc occur quite frequently without power. What power seems to do, is raise it to the next level of stupendous numbers of victims per monster.
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Most of us do James!
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I blacked out on maybe five or six occasions between ages 18 and 30, three or four were from drinking, and twice from insulin reactions. And there's a whole month missing from 2003 thanks to an antidepressant. Yet I'm 1000% certain I haven't raped any 14 years olds, or tried to.
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http://deadline.com/2017/11/kevin-spacey-dropped-all-in-the- money-in-the-world-christopher-plummer-ridley-scott-j-paul-g etty-1202204437/
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When I saw Christopher Plummer was trending on Twitter my heart sank. I know he'll eventually break my heart, but today at least he didn't die or get exposed as a pedophile. 
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If even half this stuff is true, I hope Spacey's career is over.


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Bill, I agree that most people (I hope most people) manage to not abuse someone. But, the statement was 'Us mere mortals' which seemed to imply it was all about money/power.

It's not. Most abuse is committed by 'us mere mortals' to people that they know.

Money and power just seem to create abuse writ large. I do wonder to what degree acting creates a psyche that unconsciously starts to blur the lines between reality and acting. I'm especially concerned when I hear of actors saying they really want to try a part because it allows them to explore their dark side. Really? You want to open that door to yourself? What happens if you find you like it?

I am convinced that Shia LaBeouf's  problems can be traced to Nymphomaniac. Arm chair psychology I admit, but the timing is crazily close.
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If Spacey is replaced by Plummer, at least one of them was seriously miscast.
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As more and more people come forth with accusations, I keep hearing Hollywood's reaction in Claude Rains' voice. "I'm shocked, do you hear? Shocked!"
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James,my `mere mortals` jibe was aimed at the celeb cure
all of `Seeking help` i should have made it clearer.

Edited to add...maybe they could seek help at a Swiss
Clinic? That would cure them!

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If Spacey is replaced by Plummer, at least one of them was seriously miscast.

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Plummer is definitely better casting for the 80-year-old J. Paul Getty than Spacey in old age makeup. 
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Rob Lowe was able to have sex with a 16 year old girl on videotape and has still had quite the career since

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What is the age of consent in the US then? In the UK, no offence would have been committed and whilst tabloids would enjoy the titillation, I'm not sure anyone's careers would be over. 
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If even half this stuff is true, I hope Spacey's career is over.

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I can't see anyway back. Ten years ago maybe, as others have commented, he could probably sail on through the scandal but in the current climate he has no chance.

And whilst that has to be right given the allegations, is it just me that feels a tiny bit uneasy when they are still allegations? 
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Looks like Louis CK is the next one outed. 
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Rob Lowe was able to have sex with a 16 year old girl on videotape and has still had quite the career since

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What is the age of consent in the US then? In the UK, no offence would have been committed and whilst tabloids would enjoy the titillation, I'm not sure anyone's careers would be over. 


It varies by state. The girl was old enough to consent but underage to be filmed.
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The Louis CK masturbation stories have been around for years. Which serve as a good example to point to when people say Why didnt anyone speak up sooner? because women had been speaking out and nothing was being done about it. 
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The girl was old enough to consent,but underage to be
filmed...there's a legal limit? I guess with the
prevalence of camera phones,that's out the window.

I remember reading a story from one of Duran Duran,he
said when they toured the U.S. they got itinerary
leaflets for each state,on the top corner of the cover of
each one was a number.When they asked what it was,they
were told it was the legal age of consent for that
specific state, to keep them out of trouble.
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The girl was old enough to consent,but underage to be  filmed...there's a legal limit? I guess with the  prevalence of camera phones,that's out the window.


There are actually cases of teenagers being prosecuted for the distribution of child pornography for sending naked pictures of themselves to their boyfriends or girlfriends. Its ridiculous. Being a dumb, horny teenager is not the same thing as being an exploitative sex offender. 
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There are actually cases of teenagers being prosecuted for the distribution of child pornography for sending naked pictures of themselves to their boyfriends or girlfriends. Its ridiculous. Being a dumb, horny teenager is not the same thing as being an exploitative sex offender.

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I am sure there has been similar in the UK.
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I saw online yesterday that an actor and friend of the late Cory Haim alleges it was Charlie Sheen that sexually abused Haim when he was a young teen during the filming of "Lucas." I wonder, if true, whether Corey Feldman will back that claim?
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On the broad issue of sexual harassment,  is it becoming,  as some here and elsewhere have suggested,  a "witch hunt", or since a light has been cast on the matter, are we simply seeing how many rats there are, and how much they have infested Hollywood? 

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My perception, Matt, is that we're just seeing how many rats there are. Stories like these have always been hinted about but no one was willing to name names. Now that someone has and they're actually being supported, other people are standing up for themselves or their colleagues.
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a "witch hunt", or since a light has been cast on the matter, are we simply seeing how many rats there are, and how much they have infested Hollywood? 


I think theres a little bit of A, but mostly B. Also, I am loathe to call it a Hollywood problem. Its an everywhere problem. Its just amped up in Hollywood because of the combination of young, vulnerable attractive people and entitled powerful people. But its still a broader cultural issue. 
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