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David Miller
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Posted: 19 October 2017 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Paul, do you know what "distaff" means, and why using it unironically in this context makes you sound like an utter jackass? 
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I took it to mean from the female side of things... You said, '...even distaff of me..." And I guess I took that to mean you were automatically siding with women & were denying it. I guess I misinterpreted that & I apologize for that.

That said, I don't recall treating you in an uncivil manner. Shame you had to lower yourself to that level.
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Paul, I used "distaff" ironically. It does not take a woman to believe allegations of sexual assault and harassment. You did not use the word ironically, and you consider "automatically siding with women" a female quality. Your sexism is on a far lower level than my calling you on it, and I am proud to have done so. Your life would be immeasurably improved if more people confronted your blatant sexism and you listened and learned. 
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Siding with women is a masculine quality, as well. Indeed, it's basic humanity.
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I’ve been hearing things about Cosby’s shiftiness for a good long while,
way before his controversial “pull up your pants” diatribe. Living in Las
Vegas, I know and have met several people who’ve been in show
business for decades and many of them, while not having anything
conclusive to say, can attest to the fact that Cosby has had a pretty
sketchy reputation. One friend was a dancer in a production show and
he spotted her and wanted to meet her. She was warned by many to
not allow him to be alone with her and to keep her eyes on her drink!
And this was 1980!
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Somewhat creepily (in retrospect), 30 ROCK had a scene in one episode where someone tried to lure Tracy back to work by impersonating Cosby. Tracy was outraged, since Cosby had molested his aunt.

This was before the scandal broke.

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30 ROCK also had a prescient and specific Weinstein joke, too. It seems Tina Fey has sown true-life burns like dragons teeth, someday to germinate and caption the next deserved ruination.
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@JB: Obviously since I've been added to "The List," JB won't see this post, but perhaps someone else would be so kind as to convey this to him in some way?

It seems as though I have inadvertently offended our host & for that I would like to apologize. In all honesty, I wasn't being clear as to who I was reacting to in my response to his question. In retrospect, I realize that I should have tried harder to convey that.

Even though I was attempting to answer JB's question, the subject(s) I were referring to did not include JB. I have learned over the years to realize that JB is usually aware of the subject matter involved when he enters discussions, especially on his own turf.

So, once again, I apologize to JB for my error & I hope one day he will be forgiving enough to release me the clutches of his dreaded "list" of miscreants.
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Didn't MC at the Emmys or Oscars make a joke about Weinstein's one year? The industry will be going through quite a bit of change hopefully. It is like a caste system to be certain where power is peddled and exerted by bullies with a great deal of regularity. For every person that finds what Weinstein was doing horrible there are most likely as many or more that viewed it as a "necessary evil" or "paying your dues" to get ahead in the business. As was pointed out earlier by JB, the term casting couch was coined by show biz.
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Didn't MC at the Emmys or Oscars make a joke about Weinstein's one year?

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@David: Obviously you have misconstrued something & I can assure you that when I mentioned that you were siding with women, I did not mean it in any detrimental way. Quite the opposite, in fact.

While I can understand why you jumped to such a conclusion based on some of the words I typed on a message forum, rest assured that I am anything BUT sexist.

@Eric Smearman: And not to imply anyone is lying, but as I stated elsewhen, these "revelations" only came to the light, so to speak, relatively recently. Yes, NOW I read about all of these incidents, but the skeptic (conspiracy theorist) in me sees it as perfect timing.

That said, if it is ever proven legally in a court of law that Bill Cosby committed these heinous crimes, I will be right there with everyone else condemning him for his actions. Until then, though... since there is STILL a chance that he just may not have committed the crimes he's being accused of... and based on actual history in which people have been wrongfully accused of such crimes in the past (even with overwhelming evidence against them), I will wait. In other words... Innocent until PROVEN guilty in a court of law.


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And not to imply anyone is lying, but as I stated elsewhen, these "revelations" only came to the light, so to speak, relatively recently. Yes, NOW I read about all of these incidents, but the skeptic (conspiracy theorist) in me sees it as perfect timing.

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Perfect timing? He faced allegations 13 years ago, and it was largely brushed off by the general public for an entire decade. There’s no conspiracy theory there unless you are asserting that the Illuminati invented social media and fostered a societal change in perspective on sexual harassment and rape all in order to get Cosby in 2015. 
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That said, I don't recall treating you in an uncivil manner.

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While you didn’t name names, I don’t blame anyone who replied to you for feeling that you were directing hostility toward them:


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There are a few moronic reactions being made here by those that are very obviously playing the ostrich card.
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@Michael Roberts: While I don't believe that there is an organization known as the Illuminati, I have no doubt that there are people in powerful positions that can do pretty much whatever they want & that includes destroy lives at their whim.

That said, while I'm fully aware that Dr. Cosby faced allegations 13 years ago, the bottom line is that nothing has been proven in a court of law. And I'll reiterate something I always have to state after I mention that, it is not an automatic thing that if someone settles out of court that they should be considered guilty. Yes, it's not automatic & yet far too many people jump to that conclusion.

And regarding those who I was directing "hostility" towards, they know who they are & if someone wants to get defensive on behalf of someone else, that's their prerogative... However, as a wise man once said...

"Anybody who wears a red sweater is an idiot." 

"I have never worn a red sweater and I resent being called an idiot!"

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With regard to rape and sexual harassment in a society that has essentially ignored it for centuries and, worse, made it nearly impossible for those who have suffered its horrible and traumatic effects feel comfortable coming forward, I'm going to have to side with the women (and men) who are now emboldened to do just that.  I find it absurd to think it's "convenient" or "coincidental" or some kind of "conspiracy". It's exactly that kind of thinking that has made women afraid to even speak of the abuse they've suffered, let alone report it, for fear they'll be labeled liars, sluts or worse.  
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While I can completely sympathize with this view (I personally know someone in this position), I cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that there have been far too many false accusations as well.

I just don't like the idea that someone just MAY be innocent & is being falsely accused. Probability based on numbers, as so many are putting forth, still does not PROVE anything,

Another thing that many put forth is to tell you to imagine someone you care about being in this position (I don't have to imagine, as I imply above). This can also be said of the accused.


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The pendulum on this issue has been pulled very far to one side for a long time. There is a likelihood that some accusations made in the past were false. I think the number of unreported incidents dwarfs whatever the number of false accusations might be. Now that the pendulum has been released our society and the people in show biz will need to cope with what I hope is sweeping change. I'm less concerned about the people getting falsely accused than I am about the people stepping forward. The justice system will take care of false accusations. That system has utterly failed the victims in the past. If the bloodlust of society and the court of public opinion prevents a few potential rapists from acting on their desire I can live with that.
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And regarding those who I was directing "hostility" towards, they know who they are & if someone wants to get defensive on behalf of someone else, that's their prerogative... However, as a wise man once said...  

"Anybody who wears a red sweater is an idiot."

"I have never worn a red sweater and I resent being called an idiot!"

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That’s a cop out and a misuse of the red sweater thing.
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