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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 21 February 2019 at 11:39pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Thatís exactly why I quit all of the DC CW shows, Brandon. SUPERGIRL was (and no doubt continues to be) the worst offender. 

And this forced preachiness keeps happening to characters and franchises that I love, turning them into poorly-written propaganda instead of good stories about compelling characters. Iíve said it before, and Iíll say it again: Trumpís election drove Hollywood insane, and now theyíre burning all of the great franchises to the ground because they feel backed into a corner. So sad.
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It's sad to see this show, which I've really enjoyed,
being turned into a thinly disguised political pulpit
for the writers. I don't know if that's their actual
intent or not but it's so heavy-handed now that it's
certainly coming across that way.

I enjoy these shows for the fun escapism. When they
start taking a tone that feels more like preachy
indoctrination, they are no longer fun"

The last series of Doctor Who was as bad.

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Posted: 22 February 2019 at 2:00am | IP Logged | 3 post reply

It's sad to see this show, which I've really enjoyed, being turned into a thinly disguised political pulpit for the writers.  I don't know if that's their actual intent or not but it's so heavy-handed now that it's certainly coming across that way.

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Iím a bit confused. What show have you been watching? The show has always been overtly political, even back when it was on CBS. Cat Grant was used as a mouthpiece for political commentary all the time. The aliens as refugees theme has been going on in the second season, and the Agent Liberty storyline is just a culmination of that.

I get that itís not everyoneís cup of tea, but it hasnít been turned into anything. Itís always been political. 
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Posted: 22 February 2019 at 6:30am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Yeah, for the most part the storylines or backup stories have had a sociopolitical undertone to them, it's part of the package with this show.

But not all of the DC/CW shows are as serious. Give LEGENDS a try, pure fun!
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Posted: 22 February 2019 at 7:47am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

LEGENDS is the best of them now. The Flash really has gone down hill.
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Posted: 22 February 2019 at 5:01pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I seem to have list track of Supergirl after just three new episodes earlier this year. I wasn't crazy about the story before that, I'm not sure I related it so much to the southern border in real life as perhaps I was meant to. As an examination of weird powerful alien refugees and some villains among us I suppose it rhymed, but too much fantasy involved to make any correlations, they gave the one point of view of someone human that was fearful (which is totally understandable), and the other that a lot of the aliens when with scary powers could be positive or relatable. I'm used to British soaps that often pull story ideas from what's in the news, sometimes they do it badly, sometimes it's interesting.

I can relate to fiction being too polemical on issues where I feel they are wrong so can relate to feeling that way, I just haven't had Supergirl lately giving messages I find risable. I did with a couple of the newer Doctor Who though, but just filed them under bad episodes (the cowardly Billionaire character in one was one, though there were bits I did like probably even then and I expected to not like any of the new female Doctor). I can see some social diversity pushing in Supergirl, but so far the characters have been interesting enough in their own rights, well acted. I was not into the lesbian sister's romantic life at all but it would be part of any character, and maybe they will go there more with the alien trans character and Braniac who is also an alien I think... not sure he ever was in the comics though but in the comics he was involved with Supergirl romantically in her old Legion (later he was in some kind of thing with Dream Girl mostly after she was killed).

A Russian puppet Supergirl I guess you could also link to news about Trump, but I don't imagine it will actually say something about that with Supergirl, it seems a bit ridiculous. I do think of Russia as an enemy of the west though so perhaps if one doesn't they could take offense? Used to be a Republican thing to not trust Russia or the KGB, even ex-KGB, nor communists even supposedly now ex-communists. These are "interesting" times politically. Forcing diversity seems the lesser of some of it to me. I would like heroes who do not murder or go to an extreme at the drop of a hint that they can, that's something I look for in detectives and super heroes.

As a non-absolutist I think people can post about what they want wherever within reason, this is for Supergirl season 3 and anything connected to that.


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...and season 4, I guess. :^)

They've played on the extreme anti-aliens vs. aliens and supporters thing too much now. I thought they were going into the direction of this clone Supergirl but that seems to have been dropped. I agree with the politics in terms of being against Manchester Black as the extreme on the pro-alien side almost wanting an excuse to go to extremes. There's not much more to think about with it. It should've been a simmering background subplot the last three episodes and not become the focus again as mostly a rerun of the first  time around on it.

Also I think the effects have gone a bit lower quality. Also the costume for The Dreamer is a bit laughable, but maybe there was a fan design contest I don't know about or something....
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 12:17am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

 Quoting myself like a narcissist wrote:
Iíd be willing to put money on Cryerís Luthor humming or listening to Eine kleine Nachtmusik at some point.

SUPERGIRL never passes up an opportunity to do a Superman movie reference. 

Cryer did a good job as Lex, especially in the last 5 minutes of the episode. Looks like theyíre finally going to start the Red Daughter storyline.
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"Cryer did a good job as Lex, especially in the last 5 minutes of the episode"

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Probably better than the last 3 Lex Luthor's I've seen on screen!
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 2:57am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Just watched it. Cryer nailed it.

Would it have killed him to shave, though?
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 9:09am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I couldn't get my head wrapped around Cryer as Lex Luthor... especially when Michael Rosenbaum is around out there, and likely the right age.

He got close, although the outraged screaming seemed a bit much. But the Luthor I think of is very different from the post-Crisis or Smallville version, or even the animated Justice League version. The one I am used to is one who hates Superman because of his baldness, and has been so warped by that hate since his early teens that he's irredeemable... he even blew up Lexor just because of his hate for Superman.

YMMV, of course... but this wasn't quite the Luthor I expected.

But is Lena TRULY so gullible that she didn't know Lex would turn on her? So arrogant that she didn't leave a message with Alex or Kara or Superrgirl that detailed what she was doing, just exactly in case she went missing?

I guess we'll see how it plays out. I'm enjoying it, but I could be enjoying it a lot more.

And I agree - Lex Luthor should be totally bald save for his eyebrows.
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Posted: 18 March 2019 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I think Cryer did a good job. Nice blend of evil and smugness. 

It's unfortunate they didn't use Superman in the opening flashback scene. It would have been interesting to see the chemistry between Tyler Hoechlin and Cryer. 


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