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Trevor Thompson
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I cannot get my head around this one and I'm asking any wordsworths on the forum whether they can help me out. The two seem to mean the same thing but I'm sure you cannot interchange them.
For example I'd say something like. I'd begrudgingly accept Peter Parker as the new Iron Man.
but then could I also say. I'd grudgingly accept Peter Parker as the new Iron Man? It could well be me but I cannot find anything on the 'net that helps me.
Edited by Trevor Thompson on 01 November 2017 at 6:13am
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James Woodcock
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I think they are pretty much synonyms and you can interchange both for any given situation.A bit like flammable and inflammable
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Trevor Thompson
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James, thanks for the reply. They're both the same.
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Okay, this is a guess.
Does begrudgingly refer to a feeling of envy or jealousy that arises when you do something for someone? Whereas grudgingly applies to doing something but without the envy/jealousy?
For example, in my case:
Robbie begrudgingly accepted the fact that his ex-partner had married a new man.
Robbie grudgingly accepted the fact that he would have to do overtime on Saturday morning.
I could be wrong!
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Brian O'Neill
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"Begrudge" is a verb. ""Grudge" is used as a noun. You can't 'Grudge' someone, and you can't 'hold a begrudge' against them. As for the participle, and go with 'Begrudgingly.'
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Michael Penn
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Regarding the reluctance to accept, allow, or give: begrudgingly and grudgingly are synonyms.
Regarding the envy or resentment of another's pleasure or good fortune: begrudge is proper.
Comicbook artist Smith grudgingly accepted being assigned to IRON MAN. Smith still visibly begrudged artist Jones being assigned to SPiDER-MAN, which Smith had long coveted.
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"Begrudge" is a verb. ""Grudge" is used as a noun. --------------------------------- Begrudge and grudge can both be used as verbs, which is why they both have adverbial and gerund forms.
I don't grudge you saying it's not a verb though.
Edited by Peter Martin on 01 November 2017 at 11:32am
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John Bodin
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Peter Martin wrote:
| I don't grudge you saying it's not a verb though. |
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I would think that perhaps you don't begrudge him saying it's not a verb.
Can't recall ever hearing "grudge" used as a verb form like that -- that's where begrudge always comes in, IMO.
EDITED TO ADD: Note that I'm not saying you're wrong -- I know Merriam-Webster acknowledges the transitive verb form of "grudge," but I've just never heard it used that way (but I have heard "begrudge" used in that manner . . . wonder if that's something of a regional thing, perhaps?).
Edited by John Bodin on 01 November 2017 at 5:38pm
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Wow, I always thought it was about time. One was before an action and the other was after. Like, you hold a grudge for something that happened in the past.
And Be- in front was like be-fore. Be-grudge--> something that person doesn't want to do is coming up.
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From etym on line:
be- < style="-sizing: border-;">word-forming element of verbs and nouns from verbs, with a wide range of meaning: "about, around; thoroughly, completely; to make, cause seem; to provide with; at, on, to, for;" from Old English be-"about, around, on all sides" (the unstressed form of bi "by;" see by (prep.)). The form has remained by-in stressed positions and in some more modern formations (bylaw, bygones, bystander).
The Old English prefix also was used to make transitive verbs and as a privative prefix (as in behead). The sense "on all sides, all about" naturally grew to include intensive uses (as in bespatter "spatter about," therefore "spatter very much," besprinkle, etc.). Be- also can be causative, or have just about any sense required. The prefix was productive 16c.-17c. in forming useful words, many of which have not survived, such as bethwack "to thrash soundly" (1550s) and betongue "to assail in speech, to scold" (1630s).< style="-sizing: border-;">
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I hope that becalms the waters before this thread is bestuffed with speculation,
Edited by Robert Cosgrove on 01 November 2017 at 9:19pm
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Quite an interesting thread...
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...many of which have not survived, such as bethwack: "to thrash soundly"
...except perhaps as sound effects in superhero books and Don Martin strips.
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