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Rick Whiting
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Posted: 22 November 2017 at 10:47pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I mean this with love - NO offence to anyone - but can we please, please work at making links live? It's really quick to do. Time and again, the links are either not live or the dreaded "page not found".

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For some reasons I have difficulty posting working links on this forum. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, so I'd appreciate any help and/or suggestions on how to make these links work.


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Posted: 22 November 2017 at 11:00pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Is this the one where he's the hero?

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Yep, but he also had a lot to say about Marvel and the rest of the current comic book industry. He talked about current sales,Hydra Agent/Nazi Captain America,the Wonder Woman film,and a lot of other stuff.

Here is the link to the full interview.


https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/11/19/interview-l egendary-marvel-comics-editor-in-chief-jim-shooter-on-the-cu rrent-state-of-marvel-creator-incentives-and-more/ &nbs p;         &nbs p;
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Just read the Jim Shooter interview. It’s really funny if you read it in the voice of Trump.

Read his answer about Bernie Wrightson and the Frankenstein comic in that voice - oh my word do they use the exact same speech patterns.
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Rick, just click the hyperlink button at the bottom right of the buttons above your post and insert the link there. 

https://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/2017/11/19/interview-l egendary-marvel-comics-editor-in-chief-jim-shooter-on-the-cu rrent-state-of-marvel-creator-incentives-and-more/

Jim Shooter definitely paints himself as the hero although all the stuff he says about the problems with current Marvel echo what many of us have said here. The decompressed comics where it takes six issues of a current Marvel comic to equal what six pages of a Jack Kirby comic did. The incentive covers to boost flagging sales. Some of his claims I find kind of dubious. Do Marvel creators really own 20 percent of their work for hire creations because of Shooter? If you create a title, you get 1 percent of that title for eternity?


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I think what Shooter's saying comes down to--Can the reader trust the publisher?

When I trusted DC and Marvel to give me books I enjoyed--indeed a whole universe to jump into--I bought their whole line-ups.

For decades now, I haven't trusted editorial, so I only follow the talent.  I trust John Byrne to give me a good story, so I buy all his stuff.  I trust Neal Adams to give me beautiful pictures, so I buy all his stuff (even knowing the story may not be there)--it's worth it.  I trust Kurt Busiek, Brent Anderson, and Alex Ross to give me a great issue of ASTRO CITY every time (my gosh--what a run!).  Depending on the talent, the last few years, I've been buying 5 or 10 Marvels and DCs every month--because I trusted the talent on those books.

Since Hydra Cap, I can't trust Marvel at all.  So, I dropped all their books--even the ones unrelated to Cap.  (But, really, with all the crossover "events" they force down our throats, all of their books are too related.)

Even though DC lost my trust with way too many reboots, I'm open to buying them--but only because of the talent I like.  If Starlin or Adams do anything, I will buy it.

If both companies followed Shooter's basic guidelines, I'd be back.  I'd be back and a lot of other people would be back.  And those simple guidelines of engendering trust would also be the way to bring in new readers too.


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Axel Alonso's last couple years as EIC mirrors Shooter's, in the sense that they both committed Marvel to an entire line of books that fans didn't want to read. Though Shooter was not so bold or desperate as to strong-arm retailers into buying New Universe books, as Alonso tried to do through the Legacy lenticular cover mess. Shooter's editors never tried to shame readers into buying Star Brand. 
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New Marvel Editor-In-Chief C.B. Cebulski used Japanese pseudonym:

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This is an interesting situation to ponder. Writers and artists have used pseudonyms in the past, inside and outside of comics, and for various reasons. Sometimes a male writer has used a female name, and vice-versa. Does using the name seemingly of someone from another culture make it worse, or somehow more disingenuous? I'm not quite sure what to think.

Apparently, then-editor Mike Marts outright lied about the use of the "Akira Yoshida" by
C.B. Cebulski as a pseudonym back in 2005.
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"Akira Yoshida"'s history: LINK.

Crazy stuff.

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The more I think about it, the more I do think it's wrong to use a name for a pseudonym that is an obvious attempt to appropriate another culture. Don't get me wrong, I think some accusations of cultural appropriation can go too far, such as criticizing a white performer for simply playing the blues, but for someone to pretend to actually be a person of another culture in such a disingenuous manner is pretty despicable.

Marvel already promoted the writer "Akira Yoshida" as one of their "Young Guns," so it's kind of repellent to think the could have held him up as an example of being progressive and hiring diversity when he was not actually the ethnicity he claimed he to be.



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When I think about Marvel, I just get so depressed. Isn't it bad enough that we have to live in Trump's America?
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After reading Matt's explanation, I DO find using a false identity of someone from another culture to be disingenuous. Bad example of Marvel showing diversity in their talent pool.

Marvel's new Editor-In-Chief seems to be setting the 'bar' low.

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This reminds me of a scandal from around the same time Cebulski did this.  A 19 year female writer named Riley Weston who had been touted as a great young voice and who was hired to write for the tv show Felicity was exposed to be a very petite thirtysomething woman who had lied about her age. Disney immediately backed out of a deal they had made with her and I don’t believe she worked on a TV writing staff again. So there is a similar precedent involving this same corporation but with polar opposite results.  And I personally don’t feel lying about your age is as “bad” as lying about your ethnicity.  Have times changed or did she just not know important enough people?
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And I personally don’t feel lying about your age is as “bad” as lying about your ethnicity.  Have times changed or did she just not know important enough people?

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I think if you promote someone as a “teen wunderkind” writer, and she turns out to be in her 30s, you have little choice to fire the person or else you look stupid (well, stupider). 

Faking an ethnic background is just as egregious, but a comic book writer scandal wouldn’t even be a blip in the general public’s consciousness. 
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Posted: 29 November 2017 at 2:17pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

There's an old saying that Hollywood is the only place where WRITERS lie about their age.
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Akira Yoshida"'s history: LINK.
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Wow, that goes way beyond a simple pseudonym. Seems quite a few people were complicit in creating and maintaining this fiction 
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When I think about Marvel, I just get so depressed. Isn't it bad enough that we have to live in Trump's America?

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So would this be a bad time to tell you that Trump and the head of all things Marvel (except for the film division) Ike Perlmutter is good friends with Trump and is rumored to advise Trump on issues concerning veterans?

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