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James Woodcock
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Posted: 07 November 2017 at 10:53am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Bendis has left Marvel and signed exclusively for DC.

Hopefully, Marvel will rediscover that they were built on action and not talking heads. I read an issue of Doom as iron Man yesterday and it was just so boring with all the action taking place off camera and people just talking about it on camera.

Please, Lord .....
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I can't say exactly how much blame Bendis deserves for the current state of affairs at Marvel (though I suspect it's quite a bit), because I haven't followed Marvel for at least a decade. The last stuff of his that I read was probably something in the Ultimates line, and I only remember that I found it talky and dull. From what you say, James, his style hasn't changed much.

I'll just have to avoid his DC books, at least until the next time the insomnia starts up again.


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Posted: 07 November 2017 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Hopefully they'll have him helping revive the Vertigo line, rather than working on superheroes.
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That would suit his style better. I await the scene of Darkseid calling Supergirl a cow
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After 16 pages of irrelevant, talking head bs leading up to the two even being in the same location.

Bendis is a master of padding, but he's not that good a writer. 
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I am more concerned about DC. Hopefully Bendis' writing will benefit from some real editorial input, instead of Marvel's alleged rubber-stamping of his trash. I want to make an analogy to a sailor celebrating having gotten an infamous STD, but that would be crass. 



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If Marvel has "lost" Bendis, why do any of you assume they will not seek out someone whose approach is as close to his as they can find?
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 I can't say exactly how much blame Bendis deserves for the current state of affairs at Marvel (though I suspect it's quite a bit)

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I think Bendis’ influence as a Marvel architect kind of peaked nine years ago with SECRET INVASION. The mid-2010s were more Jonathan Hickman, and today’s Marvel is just throwing things against the wall to see what sticks. I’m not sure what people are expecting to change with Bendis leaving. Marvel is just going to be doing what it is doing.
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Bendis leaving won't solve Marvel's issues. I feel it is Axel Alonso who is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to getting Marvel back on track. Alonso was hired on at Marvel during the Bill Jemas era, and I recall Alonso stating he was not a fan of superhero comics back when he was first editing for Marvel. I wish I could quote a source, but I as a comic shop owner and retailer during the period, I remember noting Alonso's disdain for the concept of superheroes.
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Bendis leaving won't solve Marvel's issues. I feel it is Axel Alonso who is one of the biggest stumbling blocks to getting Marvel back on track. Alonso was hired on at Marvel during the Bill Jemas era, and I recall Alonso stating he was not a fan of superhero comics back when he was first editing for Marvel. I wish I could quote a source, but I as a comic shop owner and retailer during the period, I remember noting Alonso's disdain for the concept of superheroes.

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Matt, I also recall Alonso saying that he wasn't a fan of superhero comics after he was hired by Marvel. The people who are most responsible for screwing up Marvel comics over the last 17 years are Jemas,Quesada,Alonso,Buckley, Brevoort,Bendis,Millar,JMS,and Morrison.

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If Marvel has "lost" Bendis, why do any of you assume they will not seek out someone whose approach is as close to his as they can find?

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Probably because over the last several years Bendis "selling power" has drastically declined. Bendis is no longer able to sell books with his name alone. A large number of fans have woken up and realized that Emperor Bendis has no cloths. Where many fans in the past were once praising him for his "realistic" and "naturally sounding" dialogue, many of those same fans have now realized how silly and stupid his dialogue really is and have over the recent years proceeded to mock his dialogue.

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I'm "sure" he will be "okay" .
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Any time you can get the wolf out of the henhouse, it's a good thing.  BMB made me drop mainstream superhero comics, more specifically Marvel comics. His take on AVENGERS, SPIDER-MAN and the X-MEN was abysmal.  He and his style drove me away roughly 8 years ago.  I probably won't come back, but I'll DEFINITELY not check out DC comics simply because he's "the name".  I will, in fact, avoid them.

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I'm hoping that this could lead to a move back to traditional comics values. I really am.

Him, and his ilk, seemed embarrassed to write action. There were some pretty neat concepts that were done but the execution was just so boring. How can you have a multi-year set up of a Skrull invasion, with major heroes swapped out conclude in an 8 part series that had practically zero action? How?

Why are super heroes running around in street clothes or variations thereof?

DC, for the most part, appear to have kept their costumes. Yes there have been changes but they are still costumes. Marvel look like street clothes a lot of the time. I wonder what will happen at both companies. 
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 QUOTE:
I'm hoping that this could lead to a move back to traditional comics values. I really am.

As Matt H. alludes to above, Marvel's issues are more structural than the influence of one writer, who isn't even as influential as he once was. You are complaining about things that are nine years old, and while some of those issues are still around, there's been a whole bunch of newer and more prominent issues that have cropped up since then.
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I'm hoping that this could lead to a move back to traditional comics values. I really am.

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For most people working in comics today, and most readers, too, "traditional comic values" means "since I've been reading."

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Great. Now he can ruin DC too. :D

As much as I enjoyed Jessica Jones, any time he worked on a mainstream Marvel book it was generally terrible, Iron Man (if you can even call it that) being the latest example. 
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Marvel really needs a BACK TO BASICS approach... and hiring some veterans from Marvel's past would help tremendously... but I'm sure egos from the current management would get in the way of that. They probably believe traditional comic book characterizations and storytelling wouldn't work with today's audience.

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I would never want to tell people how to think, but I think we have to be very careful about the overlap between nostalgic pining (which is fine) and reality.

I miss a decent UK comic industry. I miss a UK comic industry that had anthology titles like EAGLE, TIGER and BATTLE (my EAGLE, circa 1980s, had about 9 strips in). 

But I know it's not coming back. The UK comic industry now consists of 2000 AD, COMMANDO and the BEANO. The rest are UK reprints of superhero titles and licensed stuff (which can be tacky). The "old days" are gone, sadly.

Enthusiasm and optimism is fine, but only if reality sets in. The old days that some want back are gone forever.
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I feel that Marvels problems start at the top, from David Gabriel on down. I think that Axel Alonso just tries to bring in "names" outside the industry as well as indy talent (something that Joe Q. and Bill Jemas started) as opposed to comic professionals. The editors almost seem like "We Love Being At Marvel" fans as opposed to being professional editors. I feel that writers are preferred over artists and that's why people like JRjr. have gone to DC. But I'm hopeful as I've started to pick up a book here and there. I just don't have faith that Marvel's vision will allow them to be consistent unless their sales have a major increase. 
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Bleeding Cool report on why Bendis might have left Marvel:


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Apparently DC is currently courting Hickman, too.  I've liked a lot of Hickman's stuff, his FF run and Secret Warriors particularly.  I certainly enjoy his work more than I've ever enjoyed anything by Bendis.  But I also don't know how exactly he fits with the DC Universe.  Hickman doing a Silver Agey take on Superman or Flash could work.
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Hickman has made no secret of his love of Legion of Superheroes. He basically turned the Avengers into it. 
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Lord I hope he stays the hell away from the mainstream DC Universe. If he wants to do creator-owned work for Vertigo, fine; crime-story work, fine; but if he gets his hands on, say, Batman, it's time to run for the hills!
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I can imagine it now...Batman and Joker sat at a
table,endless pages of their talking heads as they
discuss their dysfunctional relationship!
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