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Jim Petersman
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Got it. Thanks!

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A true FF movie should be a period piece.

I don't know if that's correct, but -- wow -- would *I* ever love that!

If a decade of films could be set aside to depict only the 60s Marvel age... YES!

[daydreaming]

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Wasn't "Days pf Future Past" rendered as a period piece?
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FIRST CLASS was set during the Cuban Missile Crisis. 
DAYS OF FUTURE PAST was set during the signing of the Paris Peace Accords. 
APOCALYPSE was set during the 80s, but nothing about it really stood out as being in the 80s.
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Just for the record I'm not deliberately acting like a fan. I'm trying to act like a screenwriter who thinks about what "civilian" moviegoers will "buy into" most easily. It was easy for Stan and Jack to write exactly as they did because the FF were the first superheroes to appear in what became the Marvel Universe. So of course they'd be celebrities -- they were unique, at least briefly.

That wouldn't be the case in the MCU. And the MCU movies all have some degree of "overlap" these days. They're not really like comic titles that can be totally "apart" from one another if they want to be while nominally all existing in the same world. 

So what would make the FF stand out in the MCU? What would make them not just another superhero group? Not being a profesisonal fiction writer, I came up with the best idea that I could come up with. If someone else has a better idea, that's fine, I have no ego about this. 


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The right answer to the question I'm about to ask is probably: find a way to do the Thing right.  But since Hollywood has had such a hard time doing the Thing right, would it ever be a good idea to leave Ben out of the movie and replace him with She-Hulk?
If it were ever done, Ben's absence, in my opinion, would have to leave an acknowledged hole in the group dynamic, and the story catalyst would have to be: "Where's Ben, and why did he leave?"

Would it work?
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I wouldn't want to see a FANTASTIC FOUR film without The Thing, especially the first "proper" MU film version.
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 Adam Schulman wrote:
...So what would make the FF stand out in the MCU? What would make them not just another superhero group?...


They are a real family.

Of course, with having had THE INCREDIBLES riff on the FF so much, I wonder if an FF movie could be done in such a manner without the average moviegoer seeing it as riffing on THE INCREDIBLES.
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If we're going to talk about what civilians take away from these movies, remember that audiences do not collect data the way comic fans do. They worry for the most part only about being entertained for that particular couple of hours, not whether some vast tapestry is being woven.

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Yeah, it is very hard to get Ben right. Honestly, I'm not sure if it can be done.

Sue too, you know? Comic book readers accept her because we often see stuff that the characters are not seeing (speed lines, thought baloons, spider-sense, etc.) but on film it's harder to show that Sue and, specially, her force fields are invisible and not transparent, while still showing how they work,
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Hang on... I thought the FF movies with Michael Chiklis got the Thing great. The effects on him were the last thing I had a problem with, and I loved Chiklis' performance. I would use him again in a heartbeat.

What did I miss about those movies that got the Thing so wrong?
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since Hollywood has had such a hard time doing the Thing right

All two attempts? The Fox FF films have been such holocausts The Thing hardly stands out as a particularly egregious failure. The stretching effects looked even shittier. 
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The FF film rights are not as cut and dried as some think....

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A true FF movie should be a period piece.

I don't know if that's correct, but -- wow -- would *I* ever love that!

If a decade of films could be set aside to depict only the 60s Marvel age... YES!

Damn, I've been saying that for years. Yes! Agreed. 

I would've also killed to see a Power Man & Iron Fist show or movie set back in the 70s; disco balls, afros, bell bottoms, silk shirts, etc.  
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All two attempts? 
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Three, technically.
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Three, technically.
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That's the number I was thinking.  In all three attempts, to me, at least, the Thing looked like a toy next to human actors.  And while Michael Chiklis did a nice job playing the character, his appearance lent an extremely distracting Sid and Marty Croft aesthetic to my personal viewing experience.
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It's subjective, of course, but I thought the look of Chiklis' Thing was a pretty good effort. At least, there were far bigger problems with in the Tim Story-directed FF films, not least of which was Dr Doom. Reed's character was well off as well.

I won't even get into the Trank mess, because everything was totally wrong about that.
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A true FF movie should be a period piece.

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Not necessarily.... I believe even Stan and Jack would want a big screen adaptation of The Fantastic Four that works in the current times and doesn't alienate younger audiences. If they could do it way back when they created the FF, it can be done in modern times and STILL be EPIC.

The FF deserve no less.

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Why would a period piece alienate a younger audience? They seem to be fine with STAR WARS.
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And it worked for the Incredibles!

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Why would a period piece alienate a younger audience? They seem to be fine with STAR WARS.

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JB, what makes STAR WARS different than FF is the fantasy element.

While STAR WARS is set "in a galaxy far, far, away..."  FF has it's story set in 1961 NYC. Not sure doing a period piece after 3 failed attempts is the way to go to attract a wide audience.

Ideally, we should get a quick (during the credits) recap of their origin and jump straight into one of their best storylines from Stan and Jack! 

Just keep the time period as vague as possible. Heck, isn't that the formula you used, JB?

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Why would a period piece alienate a younger audience? They seem to be fine with STAR WARS.

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JB, what makes STAR WARS different than FF is the fantasy element.

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This must be some new usage of the word "fantasy" with which I was not previously familiar.

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Just keep the time period as vague as possible. Heck, isn't that the formula you used, JB?

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No.

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I like the idea of FF as a period piece but these Marvel movies are going to become unstuck if they tie themselves into particular time periods, making replacing aging actors tricky (in the way that the comics can get away with keeping characters the same age, or at least always used to).

I an understand why they might want to show a period of time between Captain America being frozen in ice and being found years later because the duration of time in between doesn't need to be explicit, but did they really need to state that it was eight years between Avengers and Spider-Man: Homecoming? Couldn't time just have passed?
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Why would a period piece alienate a younger audience?

I agree that it would not. Generations of children didn't have any problem with Flynn's ROBIN HOOD set in the late 12th century. Kids just want a good story. Lee/Kirby sure as shootin' gave us one!
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Problem is, there are too many directors who would want to shove the period elements in the viewers faces. THE INCREDIBLES is, indeed, a good example of how to do it right.
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