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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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Ed Love wrote:
As conceptualized, the Atom or Man-Thing might be limiting for ongoing monthly stories. |
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I agree about Man-Thing, but I always thought miniature/shrinking characters had virtually unlimited tales to tell.
Just my view, of course, but if I look around my apartment, communal garden, street, city, etc., I see many hazards and challenges for a tiny character, whether it be trapping them in a park pond to face fish or being stuck in a washing machine.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 January 2018 at 4:09pm | IP Logged | 2
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Julie Schwartz once said that after they'd done the first six issues of THE ATOM they realized all the stories were told.
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Joe Hollon Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 January 2018 at 5:36pm | IP Logged | 3
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Making Man-Thing furry, sentient and communicative misses the point. Why didn't Stine create another character?
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It was mind blowing to me. He must have not known anything about the character and they just let him make up whatever he wanted. I kept thinking there was going to be some alternate reality explanation or something....nope.
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Valmor J. Pedretti Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 January 2018 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | 4
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It's weird to me that when I was younger Cyclops would always be one of my favorite characters and my friends would mock me for it.
Everybody liked the "cool" ones. Logan, Gambit or even Bishop (ok, I loved Cable!).
Then after I stopped collecting, a friend told me what had happened to Cyclops and how he was pretty much a villain those days.
So glad I stopped. Still love the character for what I remember him to be.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 January 2018 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | 5
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When I was young, Cyclops WAS the cool X-Man! See how much damage can be done by a character being poorly handled!
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 January 2018 at 8:33am | IP Logged | 6
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Of the original X-Men, I've often considered which ones could or couldn't support a solo feature.
Two keep coming to mind that wouldn't make it without some substantial changes. I don't think that Angel or Professor X would be very good on their own.
That doesn't mean that a solo feature wouldn't work with a feature about a man whose powers are flying and some vague bird-ish traits, or a telepath... or even a man in a wheelchair.
But Charles Xavier just seems to work only in a team setting - which isn't a bad thing.
Similarly, I don't think the Angel is a good solo character. We all know characters whose only power is flight (winged or not) who can hold a feature... but I don't think that Warren Worthington III is one of those. There are very defined aspects to his character, but I'm not sure they all add up to a regular strip holding a lot of attention... unless, of course, his character was radically modified. Archangel might be a good book.
Also, I noticed something at 90s Marvel (and DC to a lesser degree) that I saw in late 60s DC comics. Characters of every name, type, power, smell, etc. got either their own ongoing or limited series. A metric crap-ton of X-Men, supporting characters, villains, etc.
I think about series like "The Creeper", "Hawk and the Dove", "Metamorpho", "Secret Six", etc. that DC put out for public consumption. This big difference is that a lot (not all, granted) got a tryout in one of DCs two "audition" books - Showcase or Brave and the Bold. Marvel had a lot of "feature" books that were like this, but I don't remember a lot of those post-speculator-boom Marvel titles that had try outs... it seemed like the House of Idea just flung #1s at the wall to see what would stick. So I guess the "unsalvagable" idea is a little different for a publisher...
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Robbie Parry Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 January 2018 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 7
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Julie Schwartz once said that after they'd done the first six issues of THE ATOM they realized all the stories were told.
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I would always defer to talented writers where possible. I just feel there are many opportunities for small characters. Almost every household item I can think of can be a death-trap for the likes of the Atom (toasters, vacuum cleaners). There's the pet cat, too. And a small communal garden like the one outside my apartment block is a "jungle" to the likes of the Atom.
But I don't, of course, have experience of writing superhero characters so could be wrong.
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Andrew W. Farago Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 10 January 2018 at 1:17pm | IP Logged | 8
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Similarly, I don't think the Angel is a good solo character.
Gambit's maybe had four years' worth of comics spread out over a few different series, and Deadpool and Cable were in the right place at the right time, but the founding X-Men and the All-New, All-Different X-Men (apart from Wolverine, obviously) haven't had much luck as solo characters.
That being said, I could see Angel as a solo character easily enough. He's a founding member of the X-Men, he's a billionaire playboy, his family has connections to the Hellfire Club...there's a lot to work with there. Build up a supporting cast at his corporate headquarters or have him start up a non-profit that helps new mutants and you don't have to make his wings "carry" the whole book.
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David Schmidt Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 January 2018 at 7:36am | IP Logged | 9
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We should do the same thread with vilains. Look what they did to Magneto!
I must say that Cyclops was my favorite hero too as soon as I read my first X-Men book.
Then he married his lost love clone...
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John Byrne
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Posted: 11 January 2018 at 10:06am | IP Logged | 10
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I must say that Cyclops was my favorite hero too as soon as I read my first X-Men book. Then he married his lost love clone... •• There are advantages to being an old geezer like me! My first X-Men comic was the first issue, back in the Sixties. I had years of the real, unmucked Cyclops (even if the stories themselves were sometimes less than stellar). When he really started to slide off the tracks, I think, was when Shooter insisted the character be drawn big and beefy, so he would "look like a hero!" (Ironically, this was all turned around by the time X-FACTOR came along, and Shooter decided "Slim" Summers was the way to go!)
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 11 January 2018 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 11
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Andrew F., I considered all the factors about Angel that you presented, and I just couldn't see stories that would be interesting enough to maintain a readership. Again... that's as he started (or, let's say, as of GSXM #1. Change him around, and sure - the whole (anti-)point of this post is about characters being interesting with modifications.
That being said... I'm not a comic writer. Messrs. Byrne, Simonson, Stern, Waid, etc. could likely make a very tasty pie out of Warren and his adventures.
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John Byrne
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Reminder: No quotes from Wikipedia. No exceptions.
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