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Warren Scott
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Posted: 15 February 2018 at 11:29pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

A response in the British Invasion thread got me thinking about something. Someone commented that Jimmi Hendrix really should be called the King of Rock and Roll.I suggest that Hendrix could be called the King of Rock, a harder and edgier offshoot of rock and roll, a brand of dance music (though not just for dancing) made popular by Elvis, Chuck Berry and others.I'm not disparaging either style, just noting there is a distinction.The difference between the two categories often influences opinions about who should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, who was the best rock band, etc.
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Bill Collins
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To me, as a Brit, Rock and Roll is 50`s music from the
likes of Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis
etc
Rock is Jimmy Hendrix, Rolling Stones, Tom Petty,
Springsteen etc
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This is beginning to sound like debates over movies and films!
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Posted: 16 February 2018 at 9:30am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I'd say there can be a distinction.

But the problem is how far we go. I had to mediate on a forum (around 2000-01) when someone was arguing over a *sub-genre* of metal.

Sometimes it's best to enjoy the ride. That's not a criticism of the topic, but a general view. 

I didn't even hang around on one bulletin board when someone claimed motorcycles and motorbikes were two different things (I mean, are they?).
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Posted: 16 February 2018 at 10:28am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

You wanted to split hairs between rock and rock and roll, to define whether Hendrick was the King of Rock or the King of Rock and Roll.... But you can't even spell his name correctly! It's Jimi Hendrix, not Jimmi or Jimmy.

Plus, Elvis is the King of Rock and Roll.

On the actual topic, I would say any old way you choose it, it's got a back beat, you can't lose it.
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Posted: 16 February 2018 at 12:22pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Jimmy, Jimmi or Jimi, you knew what we meant, as my
phone has autocorrect it made it Jimmy, which i failed
to notice, but at least you can feel smug in your
superiority again Peter.I notice you don`t correct
certain other people`s autocorrect mistakes!
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Posted: 16 February 2018 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Don't feel persecuted, Bill; I was correcting Warren and you. Two variant spellings of Jimi's in the space of the first two comments was hard to ignore.

Yes, I did know what you meant. Just as everyone would know what someone meant if they said Jimi Hendrix was the king of rock and roll.

And yet the whole point of the thread revolves around picking someone up on such a comment.
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Warren Scott
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Posted: 17 February 2018 at 8:49am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I apologize for misspelling Jimi's name. I was trying so hard to prevent autocorrect from changing the I to Y, I missed the double Ms.
Robbie makes a good point. Ironically, in another thread, I said people sometimes get too hung up on labeling styles.
But I think there may be some merit in distinguishing between rock and rock and roll. Some fans will beat up doo-wop to praise heavy metal and vice versa.
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To me, rock and roll goes back to the roots, rock comes in more when we get to the 70's and the heavier, more distorted sound kicks in.
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I'm always amazed that a genre of anything needs so many sub-genre designations.

Take Trans music - sub genres include acid, classic, hard, progressive, uplifting, anthem, epic, commercial, stadium, euphoric, etc, etc. Are they all so different they need different identities? Anyway....

Rock or Rock and Roll?
Rock and Roll was deeply entrenched in the 50s culture. It's style of playing and mood was completely different from 60s-70s rock style and message. 

I'd go so far to say 70s rock was a completely different genre of music (as opposed to a sub genre), with roots in previous musical styles - rock and roll, blues, jazz.

But then every genre of music has deep roots in the previous styles so it's hard to make clear line breaks.

When I was a kid, Hard Rock was the term I heard every where. Now though, all that was Hard Rock, is now call Classic Rock.

As to a proper title for Jimi Hendrix? He was a bit before my time. But if he was popular enough to be dubbed King of anything, I think it could be King of Hard Rock.

But then again.....as i think on that, maybe Hard Rock was 70s specific???


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 Robert Shepherd wrote:
But then every genre of music has deep roots in the previous styles so it's hard to make clear line breaks.

I love metal, but where would it be without rock and blues? 
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