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Mike Norris
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Wasn't the 'Peter stays in high school or goes to college' matter the main reason Ditko didn't see eye to eye with Stan, and left AMAZING? ************************************************************ ************************* I thought it was the identity of the Green Goblin.
Edited by Mike Norris on 18 February 2018 at 9:08pm
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Brian O'Neill
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Combination of both?
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Michael Roberts
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Combination of both?
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Or neither?
According to Ditko, the plan was for Norman to be Green Goblin all along. The feud over Green Goblin’s identity is just an urban legend. As for whether a dispute over whether Peter stays in high school or not, wouldn’t that particular stand be taken before having Peter graduating and moving on to college, and not 14 issues later?
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Dave Phelps
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It definitely wasn't the Green Goblin, per Steve Ditko. He was setting up Norman to be the Green Goblin as early as #23 or thereabouts (he was a nameless character in Jonah's club). As to why he left, he did release an essay "Why I left Spider-Man," but it was sold out before I could snag a copy. Robin Snyder has said they have plans to one day put all of Ditko "mini-histories" (i.e. his take on his Spider-Man run) together, but they haven't yet as far as I know.
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Mike Norris
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The time is "now", unless you're doing a flashback. In that case the time is "then". ,
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Robbie Moubert
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Even while Ditko was on the book, Peter had an older woman and one of the popular girls in school fighting her over him.
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Was Betty an older woman? I thought it was established quite early on that she'd left high school early to take a job at the Daily Bugle.
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Eric Smearman
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Regarding the JSA, I've thought for a long time that they
need some kind of temporal displacement retrofitted into
their history. Maybe they could take that "Ragnarok Loop"
thing they used after ZERO HOUR and transplant it to the
McCarthy Era. Sometime after their walking out of the
HUAC hearings they regrouped to prevent the mythological
twilight of the gods from consuming the Earth. They
remained trapped fighting the same battle over and over
until they were released sometime after the Justice
League is formed. Consequently, we'd have a JSA where the
members are in their late 30s-early 40s instead of their
90s but still connected to WWII.
Edited by Eric Smearman on 19 February 2018 at 9:19pm
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Brian O'Neill
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Only problem there is that the Ragnarok stuff was brought about by Hitler in 1945.
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Adam Schulman
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Before the 2011 reboot erased them, most of the original JSA members were already dead. Alan Scott, Jay Garrick and Ted Grant (there's an explanation as to why Ted was still alive) were still around, as was Sandy the Golden Boy (as "Sand," clearly a metahuman, as they're called in the DCU); everyone else, aside form Power Girl, was a descendant of some 1940s hero.
(I forgot: Hawkman and Hawkwoman were also still around. But they keep getting reincarnated. It's just what they do. And the Spectre, who...is the Spectre.)
And Kent Nelson's great-nephew is now the holder of the helm of Nabu and is the new Dr. Fate.
I presume it will be much the same when the JSA comes back from whatever limbo they're stuck in. And Jay and Alan and Ted might simply die soon after they return.
So the point is mostly moot. Just reference the original JSA members as having been around in the past but now gone, and move on.
Edited by Adam Schulman on 19 February 2018 at 11:13pm
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Michael Roberts
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Was Betty an older woman? I thought it was established quite early on that she'd left high school early to take a job at the Daily Bugle.
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Yes, there was an effort to minimize the age difference between the two. But she still comes off as being older.
Liz is making a fat jab, and Betty is more upset about sounding old. That's not a complaint of someone who's only supposed to be a year older than Peter.
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Shane Matlock
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Having comics in real time worked out great for the New Universe!
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Eric Sofer
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Adam S. - once we get past the Pu52 and Flashpoint and the Watchmen reboot, nobody knows ANYTHING about the nature of the JSA anymore. That's the big problem...
You might be right. You might be wrong. Until DC publishes something... you will never know. (Welcome to MY world right after the Crisis on Infinite Earths.)
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