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Dale Lerette Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 24 March 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 750
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Posted: 24 February 2018 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | 1
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I understand that others disagree, but I feel we lost a good man with this one. He was influential for me years ago when I considered joining the ministerial services. At that time I never fully followed the path. But I’ve never completely forgotten.
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Eric Sofer Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 31 January 2014 Location: United States Posts: 4789
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Posted: 25 February 2018 at 11:27am | IP Logged | 2
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Brian O'Neill - what the hell? I made a comment about his passing and its treatment... and I "blew the thread"? Was this intended for just reverent comments only? It's not even your topic.
I'm sorry if I offended you by making an observation. I'm NOT sorry about my analysis of what he did, and wondering why he deserves such treatment.
Oh, and I didn't say anything about religion vs. atheism. I was specifically referring to the subject of this topic. As for me being tiresome and having my head stuck irretrievably up my ass... well, I am what I am and that's all that I am. Luckily, I can position my glasses on posterior so that I can still see to type... :)
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Rebecca Jansen Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 February 2018 Location: Canada Posts: 4410
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Posted: 25 February 2018 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | 3
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While he did contrubute to the blurring of your separation of church and state, he wasn't Jerry Falwell. I have some respect for things he said and stood by, such as making it clear to people all over the world that Jesus of Nazareth would not have been this white robin hood wispy bearded cat wearing pink and blue baby blankets. It also seems he admitted to some anti-Semitic moments, or at least going along with people (Nixon) when they started in with those 'jokes' and tried to repent/make up for it. For all the self-proclaimed 'saved' people though, why are things still such a mess? Or are they all eating that pie in the sky in the sweet by-and-by with the good Rev. right now while we struggle on down here? Hoo nose, even if there is a mustard seed of truth so often things get embroidered by crap we make up and then fool ourselves with over and over.
I'm sure he meant well to some extent, there were lots and lots worse, but the road to the ouchy place is paved with such good intentions, right? Jimmy Carter built houses, but he got lots of things wrong, because we all have blind spots and need each other here in midgaard where everything always ends up half-fubed. One of the most important bits in the collected writings of various times and places we call 'The Holy Bible' is against praying in public. The more of it I see the less I trust. A Christian takes up the cross (burden) and does knowing hidden things are known to 'Him' and will be revealed. If it's not a burden, not actual acts of faith, paying it forward, sowing hope and humanity, it's some kind of showing off thing and those folks have "their reward already". I leave final judgement of Rev. Graham to a creator should there be one, knowing I do not know enough. All kinds of people get aggrandized who 'don't deserve it', that's just part of middle earth being half messed up.
"Further along we'll know more about it, further along we'll understand why"?
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Posts: 2997
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Posted: 03 March 2018 at 8:05am | IP Logged | 4
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Trump ordered the nation's flags hang at half staff yesterday in honor of Graham. (He didn't manage to get them lowered at his DC hotel, though.) Like Marc, I agree his carcass being displayed at the Capitol is inappropriate and this latest genuflection even more so. Rational Americans have been polite enough.
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Shane Matlock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 August 2012 Location: United States Posts: 1760
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Posted: 03 March 2018 at 9:02am | IP Logged | 5
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My grandmother and father were huge Billy Graham fans. I never got the love. Even as a kid when I was being indoctrinated with their fairy tale nonsense I found Graham's preaching incredibly boring (though that tended to be the case with most preachers, then and now). As far as rich televangelists who got rich off of other people's superstitions (and possibly their own), Graham was one of the less odious of the bunch, possibly because he was mostly unobtrusive and never got caught in any major sex scandals. I'd never even heard about his anti-Semitism. Yikes. But the Christian religion, for something that professes to be about love, seems to instill a lot of hate in people.
All of that said, condolences to his family.
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Brian Miller Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 28 July 2004 Location: United States Posts: 30833
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Posted: 03 March 2018 at 9:54am | IP Logged | 6
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One of my patients the other brought up Graham being displayed at the Capitol and was so excited he taped it and was going home to rewatch it as soon as he left our office. I tried to act disinterested enough that he would get the message that I didn’t give a fuck, but I must’ve done a poor job because he just kept going on about him.
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 03 March 2018 at 10:17am | IP Logged | 7
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People insinuated by religion often don't realize how much they take it unconsciously as a given. I was raised Catholic, or more accurately raised in a household by a mother who was raised Catholic and sometimes enforced it, and I realized the other day while I cotton to none of the teachings, I frequently invoke Catholic imagery in subtle ways, such as saying, "I won't wash my hands of this matter," or describing chronic pain in my hands, arms and shoulders in terminology from the Crucifixion.
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