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Robbie Parry
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I must save this tweet to share with others:

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I learned a lot from Stephen Hawking. He knew a lot and shared it well.  
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I've seen two things from fellow Christian folk in my Facebook feed, both equally stupid:  

1) Statements to the effect that somehow an atheist dying refutes his atheism...which doesn't even make sense, or

2) Memes of him being able to walk in heaven.  Which given his personal views, also makes very little sense.
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Walking in heaven makes no sense in virtually any view!
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Our common picture of "Heaven" derives from a descrption of the "New Jerusalem" to be found in Revelation. Pearly gates, streets of gold, the whole bit.

The more simple minded among believers have long embraced this, giving us images of people in physical form there, with all their earthly ills cured. The blind see, the lame walk.

The whole thing sounds rather like a celestial version of Las Vegas, and altogether tacky.

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Then, there's Gahan Wilson's version:

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The level of anti-intellectualism in the world is really disturbing:

Rush Limbaugh takes issue with Hawking and the Big Bang:   https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/03/14/limbaugh-quest ions-stephen-hawkings-promotion-big-bang-theory-nobody-could -see-it-how-hell-do-they/219637

Not gonna say he's as dumb as a bag of hammers (at least, not over this) because he has good questions.  Unfortunately, it speaks volumes about his level of curiosity when he lives in an age when the (very interesting) answers to those questions are well known, and he has a device to instantly give them to him literally at his fingertips. Yet somehow, he doesn't bother to do a simple google search to find out.
Compare and contrast with Foucault and Fizeau who wondered what the speed of light was, and discovered it using a lamp and some mirrors.

His assertion that he's not supposed to ask those questions? Totally false.  
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Religions are so frail that believers reject any questions. Likewise, they simply cannot tolerate the idea that some of those "unanswerable questions" do, in fact, have answers. That the Universe, as we find it, would be exactly as it is with or without the gods lurking behind the scenes.

Hawking was quoted as saying (tho a quick google does not find this): "God may not be dead, but he is unnecessary." "Before" the universe there was nothing, literally, and therefore no rules to prevent the universe simply happening. It's a highly unlikely prospect, but, as someone said, it only needs to have happened ONCE!

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 John Byrne wrote:
It's a highly unlikely prospect, but, as someone said, it only needs to have happened ONCE!

Absolutely. Here we are!

Still, I am close to embracing religion. Someone online asked the "If evolution is true, how come there are still apes and monkeys?" question. They got me there! That'll make me a believer...
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Still, I am close to embracing religion. Someone online asked the "If evolution is true, how come there are still apes and monkeys?" question. They got me there! That'll make me a believer...

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Boy, I sure do hope you're being sarcastic, Robbie!

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ITEM: Robbie, I think of evolution as... well, as I hope it is. Evolution doesn't get rid of the old stuff... it just helps create the new stuff. Start with a primate that is almost ready to start standing to see farther to get a better idea of where predators are. It's like starting at one location... say, Kerrville, TX. If I go one way (west), I end up with gorillas and chimps (Disneyland.) If I go the other way (east), I end up with neanderthals, cro-magnons, and homo sapiens (DisneyWorld.) Obviously, it's FAR more complex than that... but I find it a useful model for people who ask about men, chimps, and "Why don't you marry a gorilla, Eric?" "Well, have you met my wife? Honey, give him the American Tourister treatment."

ITEM: Gee, wouldn't it be nice if someone such as Stephen Hawking were to rest in state at the Capital Rotunda? I doubt that his nationality has a lot to do with his critical contributions to humanity... But why would we put someone to rest in the Rotunda? Who could be worthy of such an honor? (/sarcasm off.)
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Boy, I sure do hope you're being sarcastic, Robbie!

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Absolutely! 

Short of an entity appearing in my studio flat, and performing tricks like turning water into wine, I don't think anything could convert me.
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Just watched a PBS biography of Mr. Hawking. What an amazing and brave man. I am absolutely sure no matter how much help I got I could not go on as he did never mind stay so positive and contribute to the world. The Bible is a collection of really varied writings and has some great moments among a lot of plain weird ones, but one of the best bits could apply to Stephen Hawking... something about the keystone that is rejected by worldly builders... this life is a keystone life of note in the human species!

If there being a creation doesn't imply a creation to you at all that's okay. I sure don't imagine some bearded dude from the Sistine Chapel ceiling, nor Oprah on a cloud. I do see as being in midgaard (middle earth) where everything is half 'F'ed up, something between total random chaos or dumb luck and something that is amazingly balanced in other respects. I'm an I don't know, but I was raised with a some religious 'pollution' you might say, and too I have seen the good sides, but not in the loud mouth show off stuff, more on the community level with people acting and sowing good works (which atheists and agnostics have equally done).

Insufficient data... I just don't 100% know, possibly can't know? A smart person has to have an idea of what is unknowable as well as what they themselves don't know. (Cue music for old In Search Of with Leonard Nimoy show here) God, Bigfoot, sushi I would actually like.. hoo nose? Now cold fusion I knew was B.S. pretty quickly.
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The whole thing sounds rather like a celestial version of Las Vegas, and altogether tacky.

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Which is why I always loved Monty Pyton's 'Christmas In Heaven' song from 'The Meaning of Life!'
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But why would we put someone to rest in the Rotunda? Who could be worthy of such an honor?

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Donald Trump, the sooner the better.

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Not gonna allow a website to get clicks/add $$$s so no link provided, but some Christian website editor claims Stephen Hawking was kept alive by Satan to counter Billy Graham’s gospel.

Deluded wanker. 


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I don't think THIS woman understands the extent of Hawking's affliction.
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Funeral services in a church, Eddie Redmayne reads from the Bible.

Excellent way to honor the memory of an avowed atheist.

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Yes, sighs from me, too.

My grandmother had a wonderful humanist funeral where we honoured her life. No ministers, Biblical verses or religion needed.
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JB: "I don't think THIS woman understands the extent of Hawking's affliction."

I could only read the first two paragraphs, but it seems as if this woman felt a desperate need to express herself and her feelings and Prof. Hawking's passing was her excuse to talk about herself, with a faint acknowledgement to him.

I'd wager that if she had to spend 20 minutes with his condition, she'd be half-insane and begging to have her current situation - and that it would feel "free."

I'm not really angry quite as much as sympathetic for her. Her lot is awful, no doubt... and so bad, or ignored, that she needs to use anything to highlight her plight.

And a funeral service in a church, with Bible passages... well, they say that the funeral and sitting are for those left behind, not those who have passed. It kinda causes me discomfort to consider how many people thought, "Oh, that poor man! Now, at least, he's with Jesus."

But if it gives them comfort... great. (If they inflict it on others, THEN I got a problem.)

But talk about missing the point!
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