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Robbie Parry
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| Posted: 22 March 2018 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | 1
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It feels at times that the industry is keen on self-destruction. Hyperbole, I know, but some things make no sense to me. No sense at all.
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Andrew W. Farago
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| Posted: 23 March 2018 at 12:42pm | IP Logged | 2
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DC cut ties with its original numbering when Crisis wrapped up in 1986, and Marvel started cutting ties with their original numbering a decade later with Heroes Reborn. We've had decades to get used to it at this point, and I'll buy a comic I'm enjoying regardless of the number on the cover.
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Robbie Parry
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| Posted: 23 March 2018 at 1:54pm | IP Logged | 3
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Andrew W. Farago wrote:
| We've had decades to get used to it at this point, and I'll buy a comic I'm enjoying regardless of the number on the cover. |
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The content is the most important thing, but the confusion for "civilians" and confusion for readers - e.g. finding issues via comiXology - are barriers. Minor barriers, I know, but still barriers.
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Rebecca Jansen
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| Posted: 24 March 2018 at 10:05am | IP Logged | 4
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"confusion for "civilians" and confusion for reader"
I know I had all kinds of questions about the various Supergirl titles that started at #1 again and appearances leading up to them so I had to find some real fans where websites weren't enough to help me figure out what the heck I was ordering, and even then I got this really confusing two issue thing with Ambush Bug in some alternate pocket universe that I can't make heads or tails of (although that could just be the usual Keith Giffen weirdness of some kind).
I definitely care about the stories and whatever numbers are on them matter zilch. All kinds of '70s Marvel runs like Tigra or Black Panther or Man Wolf or Guardians Of The Galaxy that start with #3 or #5 or #30 of a title, and if I never have #1 or whatever else of the title I'm totally fine. Readers managed back then somehow.
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Robbie Parry
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Rebecca Jansen wrote:
| I definitely care about the stories and whatever numbers are on them matter zilch |
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I hear what you are saying, Rebecca. The content will always be important. If Juggernaut takes on Destroyer (my dream battle!), I wouldn't care if it's Juggernaut #1, #345 or #999.
But for the purposes of tracking down back issues (mail order, comiXology, eBay), it can make things a tad hard. Not impossible, but hard.
If I buy a magazine from eBay, it's simple to put in something like WCW MAGAZINE JULY 1993; if I want INCREDIBLE HULK #323, that'll be easy to find; but if I want Thor #1, it could take me a while. That's a tad frustrating.
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Dave Phelps
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Andrew W. Farago wrote:
| DC cut ties with its original numbering when Crisis wrapped up in 1986, |
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Not entirely. Batman, Detective and Action were left alone, Superman and Green Lantern kept the number but adjusted the title and most of the younger titles just kept on going. It was really only three titles: Wonder Woman, Flash and Justice League.
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Sure, but minor annoyances add up.
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Andrew Hess
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This is how real men do it:
Back in '71 DC decided to revamp Superman: get rid of the kryptonite plot device, de-power Superman, change up the stories, all in continuity. And they used this cover as a stealth #1 without changing the actual numbering. And sold like hotcakes without relying on speculators and collectors.
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Robbie Parry
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Great example, Andrew.
I was familiar with that cover, but it didn't dawn on me how relevant it might be to this thread. You are correct in what you have posted!
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Brian Hague
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DC also tried to use this sort of thinking with the title First Issue Special, where every issue was a first issue...
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Trevor Smith
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I had no idea there was a DC "Outsiders" before Batman's
team!
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Brian Hague
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That is a particularly strange comic, Trevor, with a story by Joe Simon and art by Jerry Grandenetti and Craig Flessel. Probably riding the "freak" hero wave of the then still very new New X-Men, the original Outsiders were weirder than weird & freakier than freaky...
Led by Doc Goody, who looked like someone out of the Twilight Zone's "Eye of the Beholder," The Amazing Ronnie, Lizard Johnny, Crazy Larry, and Mighty Mary went out and looked for freaks like themselves to save them from the short-sighted hatred of so-called "normal" people everywhere.
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Stephen Churay
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Personally, announce a creative team
you're excited about and tell good
stories. Just stop screwing with the
numbering.
I almost thought about reading Jason
Aaron's Thor run. I've been told it was an
interesting read. Went to pick up the
trades. It has no less than 3 trades that
start you off on a number one issue. I'd
have to buy them all and read the indicia
to know which comes first.
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