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Andrew Bitner
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 11:55am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Dan Slott and Sara Pichelli will be on the new FF book coming in August, per Marvel. Considering I liked his take on She-Hulk, I have some hopes that the new book will be a solid return for Marvel's "first family."
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I'm pleased the FF will be getting a book again. They'll be celebrating their 60th anniversary in 2021, so let's hope they do something special when that date arrives.
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I wish it wasn't a new #1 but... that's the current state of play in relaunching books.
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 12:50pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I feel hopeful, I would like to see more of the art.  They have only released a shadowy image of the walking in like the astronauts from the movie "The Right Stuff."
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 1:32pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Sara is a fabulous artist. Not sure how her style will translate to the Thing or Mr Fantastic but I am keen to see how she adapts.  
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Seriously, this ad is the best Marvel can do to re-introduce the FIRST FAMILY after so long??? Way to go, marketing dept. -



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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 4:20pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

It's quite a nice image, but doesn't really speak to four fantastic individuals. Four cool, but normal individuals, maybe. The FF deserves a bit more super-powered spectacle, rather than just the spectacle of dramatic lighting.
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

Ooh...somebody took a Photoshop class!
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I don't want a NEW Fantastic Four #1, or any damned number. I want the FF to continue from where they were so abruptly interrupted. And for Horus' sake, I am sick and tired of a Human Torch who would look completely normal in a black and white piece of art, or maybe with a little smoke around him. Carl Burgos and Jack Kirby drew the Torch differently to show him ON FIRE. Changing coloring on a standard human figure stinks.

I don't want a new Captain America or Justice League or Avengers or Superman. I want them to be consistent with what happened before... which we KNOW is now several histories, and which we KNOW will be RESTARTED once again when sales flag in the least little bit.

I don't feel there can be any future in comics. Everyone wants the same characters as when they specifically started reading... and there is no way to please any of those groups and still clear enough profit to stay in business.

This is not a symbol of hope to me. This is a harbinger of the end.
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 6:06pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

I think it works as a "teaser poster"
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 6:54pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Ben is too big in that “teaser poster.”
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Eric Sofer -- I don't think you're the intended audience for comics anymore.  I know I'm not.

For decades now, Marvel and DC have been progressively making their characters more and more relatable to the new and younger audience of today.  I'm not making a comment on whether a 10 yo in 2018 would like Kirby's FF any better or worse than a 10yo in 1962 -- I'm just saying they've been changing the characters, their look, their voice, etc to make them relatable to current kids/teens.

It took about 10 years -- but I finally had to stop buying comics like I used to.  They just weren't for me anymore.  I still keep in touch - but like old distant friends, they seem more and more different each time I contact them - still with that sparkle, but different.

You may not want new Cap or new JLA, but just like serious comic book readers are not the intended audience for the movies, anyone over about 30 isn't the bulk of the growing and sustainable buying audience - over 30s are the shrinking readership base.

When it comes to a property like the FF -- I've got so many fond memories reading in the 70s and 80s and 90s - but by the 90s, the subtle changes had actually perverted the team and characters beyond anything I enjoyed in the 70s/80s.   Byrne's FF was still Kirby's FF, but even Byrne played with things to make them current.

Out of respect for my childhood, I'd rather Marvel reboot FF and not just "pick up" from what was supposed to be Kirby's FF.
 
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 7:10pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

I don't really have an iron in the fire. I am extremely fond of the FF (as was), but I'm a man in his 40s who hasn't regularly collected comics since his teens. These comics aren't for me and I accepted that a long time ago.

I (very) occasionally pop into a comics shop and check out what is on offer, and it simply doesn't appeal. And even the back issues seem too recent for the most part!

The most important thing is that the core, the heart, of the FF gets passed on to the next generation. I hope Marvel can do that.


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Wallace you are correct Ben is way too tall.
wish these new artists would take a look at Jack Kirby's or our hosts runs to get an idea of how the characters should look .
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 7:48pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

The anatomy on Ben is all wrong he does not have a human physique he has a monster physique.
short legs and no neck.
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Hey, and the Torch is covered in flame too.
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 8:49pm | IP Logged | 18 post reply

I can't stand Dan Slott. His writing is what drove me away from Spidey after decades of following the books. The thought of him handling the FF is disappointing to me. Pichelli is a decent artist but her style leans a little too much towards a cartoony look for my taste.  
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 9:12pm | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Much as I like that guide to drawing the Thing ("don't gimme no lips"), it is a thing of its time -- as evidenced by the brow comment.

Don't make him look like Fozzie and keep him craggy are pieces of advice for the ages, but the separate eyebrow is pretty much a defining feature for much of the history of the character and I would say JB draws him now built more like a human than his own guide suggests back then.

His height should not be tall though. 
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

"keep him craggy..."



Ben surely has a distinct look as JB has discussed in previous threads.
Can't see why other artists need to draw him so off-model. Better to follow the foundation Kirby built.

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Much as I like that guide to drawing the Thing ("don't gimme no lips"), it is a thing of its time -- as evidenced by the brow comment.
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Why is a single brow "a thing of its time"?  It's not like he's wearing sideburns or a mullet!

Even though that poster is lame, I am very glad that Marvel is bringing the FF back!  And I appreciate that they are putting two of their best (at least two THEY consider their best!) on the book!  At least it shows they're serious about it.  I might actually have to buy this one!  (It's almost two years since I quit everything Marvel over "Hydra Cap"--maybe it's time to give them another shot.)
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Posted: 30 March 2018 at 9:17am | IP Logged | 22 post reply

I said it's of its time because it's a guide to what the on-model version of the Thing was when it was written.

Artists before and since, though, have tended to draw the Thing with a brow.



Also, there are things like how JB draws kneecaps on the Thing, how the chest has some semblance of pectorals, a more pronounced segmentation of the limbs, that differ from that guide. So the guide tells how JB drew the Thing back then, not how he draws him now, so it's of its time. Make sense?
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I'm fine with the teaser poster - it's straight to the point. If all people need to know is the FF is coming back, why tell them anything else? (That's a rhetorical question, by the way.)

Not familiar with the creative team, though. I can't say I'll buy it sight unseen but I'll look at it once it comes out and make a decision from there. I haven't read a Marvel book since 'War of Kings' 10 years ago but a couple of these relaunches (Thor, Hulk, FF and Captain Marvel as long as Pacheco is on the art) have me at least intrigued enough to maybe pick up the first issues.

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I can't stand Dan Slott. His writing is what drove me away from Spidey after decades of following the books. The thought of him handling the FF is disappointing to me. Pichelli is a decent artist but her style leans a little too much towards a cartoony look for my taste.

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Agree on Slott.

What too many artists seem to miss, tho, is that the FF need a degree of "cartooniness" - which is not, btw, how I would describe Ms Pichelli's work. I hope she can find the necessary degree, whilst remembering that the Thing is not the Hulk. Otherwise, I think her work looks just fine.

(Meanwhile, as to that "How to Draw..." piece, it was, indeed, of its time, namely the time when I was drawing the FF. I'd hoped it might encourage some consistency. And I have, myself, drifted off that model in the decades since -- especially in commissions that requested a specific time frame.)

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I'm unfamiliar with Sara Pichelli's work, but googling her, I see her art looks really good.
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