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Adam Schulman
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Posted: 30 March 2018 at 12:37pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I liked Slott when he was writing SHE-HULK and THE THING. I got tired of his AMAZING SPIDER-MAN pretty quickly. By the time of the "Spider-Island" story I said "no, this is absurd, this is a Silver Age Superman story, why the hell is this in a Spider-Man title," and that was it. 
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Posted: 30 March 2018 at 4:12pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I'll give it a shot. I miss the FF. Slott's writing isn't
always my cup of tea, but few writers are always hits.
There's bound to be some misses. His She-Hulk was
entertaining as is his Silver Surfer. I thought he was
fine on Amazing Spider-Man at the start. He just stayed
on waaaaaay too long.

I agree the poster is terrible. Your a comic book
publisher, have some self respect. If one industry should
rest on artwork instead of bad Photoshop it's comics.

Pichelli is a very good artist and not a bad storyteller.

My biggest question is about tone.
When Roy Thomas wrote it, the FF felt like a superhero
team.
When Claremont and Englehart wrote it, it felt like a
soap opera.
Hickman's run read like boring science fiction.
But reading Lee/Kirby, it always came off, to me, as a
science-adventure book.
IMO, only JB and Mark Waid made it feel like a science-
adventure book, and Waid played with character dynamics
differently than Lee/Kirby or JB.

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Posted: 30 March 2018 at 4:42pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

New FF is better than none at all. But what Marvel really needs are new editors and writers. A game of musical chairs will not right their wrongs. 
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Posted: 04 April 2018 at 1:53pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Will the real FF please stand up. We'll see.
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Occurs to me that one reason Ben Grimm might be a little grouchy is because most of the other superheroes (and even villains) can wear clothes off the rack. However, Ben's rocky hide probably shreds just about anything he puts on that isn't unstable molecules or tougher than canvas.

His feet are probably hell on wooden floors, too.
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Posted: 15 May 2018 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Celebrating Marvel relaunching its Fantastic Four title, the publisher has unveiled 20 variant covers itíll debut throughout August:


Sadly, no celebration is complete without Kirby, Perez, JB, Simonson & Buscema covers. In an ideal situation, those would cause me to be excited.

-C!


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Oh my gosh---I hate so many of those covers!

I can understand things like relaunching with a new #1 and a lot of other marketing things--their effectiveness is debatable at least.  But I seriously cannot fathom who wants to buy an issue of IRON MAN or SPIDER-MAN or AVENGERS, etc. with defunct era versions of the FF for the covers.  (Who in the world wants an issue of DEADPOOL with a Rob Liefeld version of the Medusa era of FF?!?)

And what is that Salvador Larroca PUNISHER #1?!?  Is Valeria suddenly twice as old as Franklin?  And that David Aja DR. STRANGE cover--five minutes to trace with a magic marker?

Why is this "Unrelated characters starring on the covers" idea a thing at Marvel?  It's like buying an issue of NEWSWEEK with the latest TV GUIDE as the cover.




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Celebrating the relaunch of FF by reminding everyone of some of the bad costumes they've had over the years.


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And what is that Salvador Larroca PUNISHER #1?!?  Is Valeria suddenly twice as old as Franklin?

Yes, she's a teenager. That's the character as originally introduced in the Claremont/Larroca run. She claimed to be from the future, the daughter of Sue Richards and Doctor Doom, and went by the codename Marvel Girl. Later, she was retconned to be Reed and Sue's actual second child that Franklin "sent away" in order to save her from being miscarried, and the future Valeria claimed to be from was actually an alternate timeline where Sue had married a heroic Doom after Reed had died. Then there was some cosmic thing and Valeria reverted back to a fetus in a pregnant Sue. This time around she was able to be delivered with the help of Dr. Doom.

It's basically a bunch of Claremont tropes that later writers doubled down on. 
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Wow!  I've bought a bunch of FFs over the last decade (but not regularly) and I wondered why Valeria was older.  But almost every artist drew her and Franklin about the same height (age?).

I guess I should have asked--Why is Franklin suddenly three years old?


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Because if you're trying to sell comics in this desperate era of comic sales... put other characters on the covers.

Welcome to the Marvel Age of Muddled Madness Marketing. Friggin' idiots.

EDIT: And then, on Fantastic Four #1... THEY USE ANOTHER TEAM THAT WON'T APPEAR! Oh, yeah, brilliant. Will the last one out of Marvel please turn out the lights?


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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 17 May 2018 at 10:37am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

The "lights" have been out at Marvel for some time, Eric. I'm just a little sad no one's equipped to "turn them back on!"

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Gosh, I can't say that I like any of those covers but I really can't believe that John Cassaday Avengers one passed QC. It's horrendous!

Surely you'd want the FF to be in whatever new duds they've come up with for them on any other covers? Especially if it was for another character's title. Have FF#1 variants celebrating various stages in their history, maybe but this just seems really odd.

There you go, I'm officially old and don't understand Marvel anymore.


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I like the Chris Sprouce cover. Although
at this point, I'd rather see some Sara
Pichelli artwork.
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Posted: 17 May 2018 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 14 post reply

One of these days the FF will be done in a big blaze of glory...but, the preview art doesn't do anything for me!
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Posted: 17 May 2018 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

I figure Marvel wouldn't do silly stuff like that if no one was buying them, but I really wish I could meet someone who does so I can ask them why...

(I actually ended up with an "Iron Man variant" of X-Factor a few years ago, but that was because my LCS got shorted, I couldn't find a copy of the regular cover anywhere and that was the only option left. I was kind of amused by the disclaimer they included on the back (IIRC) - "this is an exclusive Iron Man variant; Iron Man is not actually in the book". Something like that, anyway.)

I like a few of the images, but the thought of buying a comic I don't want for a Fantastic Four pin-up (with, presumably, someone else's logo) doesn't compute. Heck, buying a comic I DO want with an unrelated character on the cover doesn't work for me either.

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Yep, putting unrelated characters on a variant cover is as much a sign of a dearth of creativity as some of those titles. X-Men Red? Genius. The Immortal Hulk? What a twist.

I do actually like the art for the X-Men Red cover, but it really does make no sense to put an FF pin-up on the cover of an X-Men comic. 
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 17 May 2018 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

I miss these types of FF covers....


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To me, if you want to have the FF on every cover at least try to tie them into the characters inside the actual book too. (Even stranger to include the Life of Captain Marvel in the promotion - isn't it a mini-series?)

In this day and age where I can just download any image I like, I'm surprised at how successful these variant covers end up being. Granted, I don't have a collector/speculator brain.

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Charles Valderrama
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I wonder how "successful" these variant covers actually are??

Does it really help Marvel's "bottom line" which should be keeping readership strong? Do those things even matter anymore??

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