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Brian Floyd
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Posted: 19 April 2018 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Totally agree, Matt.

Also doesn't help that he's a Russian puppet, no matter what he says. Kisses Putin's ass, when he should be kicking it.
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My mind refuses to believe the Trump Presidency is real.  I tend to perceive this as a new reality show or a very, very long episode of a new Twilight Zone series.  IT IS NOT REAL...it just can't be!  I mean, the free world would never elect a crazy old orange alien racist Mother F**ker as their leader??  It's just a dream...a dream...a dream...nightmare...nightmare!
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The Right used to (and perhaps largely still does) have this nostalgic idealized 1950's view of how America should be.  Ok, great.  I do not see how the cynical nihilism of enjoying a bull busting up the china shop is a path to that goal.

Demosthenes said, "You cannot have a proud and chivalrous spirit if your conduct is mean and paltry; for whatever a man's actions are, such must be his spirit."

Trump doesn't look so good judged in that light.

The above mentioned cynical nihilism may have understandable causes (economic woes, Watergate, et al) , but it's still a choice.  Just like one can decide Developing Country X is the Land of Enchantment and Mystery, or is a Third World Crap Hole, one can decide to feed their darker instincts, or strive for a more noble outcome. Which do you think will give better results?


In other words, regardless of what's going on with everything else, It's Morning In America if you want it to be.
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Posted: 21 April 2018 at 12:29pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Jeff S. - Sorry. Not a dream.

Not a hoax.

Not an imaginary story.
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The elites really can be toppled -- you rock them back on to their heel spurs. Some also have a weakness to fire, having not bothered to install proper sprinklers in their fifth avenue edifices.

The only elites that Trump is thumbing in the eye are the intellectual elite.

In terms of the moneyed, entitled elite, he's the very definition of one. 
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This narrative, and that's what it is, that Trump has been easy or beholden to Russia has gotten way past the point of ridiculousness. I understand the dislike of Trump. He makes it easy. But to say he's been any easier on Russia than other recent administrations just isn't backed up by facts.

If you're trying to make Putin happy you don't:

- Sell $50 million of arms to the Ukrainians 
- Launch 2 major airstrikes against Syria
- Engage in battle in February with Russians in Syria reportedly killing up to 200 Russians in the process
- Levy sanctions this past August against Russia
- Open the Keystone and Dakota pipelines, and begin exporting liquified natural gas, both having a huge impact on Russia's energy profits, which Putin himself has large holdings in.

As for any campaign collusion with Russia, so far we have an uncorroborated Clinton campaign backed dossier saying hookers peed in Trump's bed in Moscow. Really? With all of the constant leaks, nothing else has come out in a year and a half? Shouldn't that tell you something? And we have reports this week that Rosenstein confirmed Trump is not the subject of investigation in any collusion with Russia in the election......But still this narrative continues. At some point don't you start to feel silly?

And for months all we heard about on the board was how Trump going to destroy the world in a nuclear war with North Korea. Now NK stops their nuclear program, and we hear nothing. Now, it remains to be seen how this ends up, but to see this as anything other than a tremendously positive achievement at this point is impossible. But I guess when you've called Trump a syphilic, senile, drugged-up, nazi, who can't read, you're well past the point of being able to be able to admit to anything positive about him.



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 Paul Buchanan wrote:
As for any campaign collusion with Russia, so far we have an uncorroborated Clinton campaign backed dossier...

What a way to spin it!  A conservative Republican group opposed to Donald Trump first hired Fusion GPS in late 2015 to look into potential ties to Russia.  That got the ball rolling.  The Clinton Campaign and the DNC didn't create the Dossier out of whole cloth in the summer of 2016.  There's also a lot more in the 17 reports filed by Steele that comprise the Dossier than simply hookers peeing.  Neither you nor I can say what kind of evidence Mueller has gathered to corroborate or nullify what is in that document. 

On the topic of Mueller, you mention leaks but there have been no leaks from Mueller's office about the information he's gathered or the direction of his investigation.  There's been a ton of speculation on both sides, but Mueller is playing it extremely close to the vest.  As such, it's not surprising that nothing has as of yet been leaked about what he either knows or doesn't know.  That he's indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 19 people and three companies so far tells me a lot. Where there's smoke, there's fire.  Sure, you could write this off as Trump just having bad judgement with regard to the people he's hired or chosen to work with, but that feels like a deer blinking in the headlights.  

Why no charges directly linking Trump and his campaign with Russia?  That's the scope of the investigation, the endgame if you will.  Getting guilty pleas from some and indicting others pressures them to divulge information they otherwise would not.  Who has talked, what they've said, will the Cohen situation be the turning point?  No-one knows...except for Muller and his team and, as I've said and has proved to be the case, they aren't leaking or tipping their hand.  

Call me what you will.  Claim that I can't see anything positive about Trump.  Whatever.  But an absence of knowledge about an ongoing investigation doesn't make me "feel silly" for suspecting nefarious deeds or actions given contacts and interactions with Russians by a host of people who surrounded Trump before, during and after the election.  Given the United States general attitude about Russia over nearly a century, I find it hard to believe (although not impossible obviously) that Republicans generally and Trump supporters specifically are so eager to look the other way to dismiss some connection when, if the shoe was on the other foot, that same group of people would have cried treason just three years ago if this was Obama and not Trump. 
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Matt, you're helping make my point. Of the 19 indictments you mention, how many of those had to deal with election collusion? None that I've seen. They were all charged with making false statements. Manafort and Papadopoulos were charged with money laundering issues. Flynn was also charged with making false statements (however, this plea could very likely be withdrawn, but we'll find out later next month). The rest were all Russians accused of identity theft and trolling charges from a Russian internet company with no ties show to the Trump campaign. In fact agents were also involved in anti-Trump trolling. An odd thing to do to someone you're supposedly colluding with the win an election.

Regarding the dossier, as you said it was initially started by a conservative anti-Trump opposition group  - The Washington Free Beacon. But it was dropped. The Clinton campaign then contracted Fusion GPS (who had done the work for the WFB) and they're the ones that proceeded with it, ultimately passing it to the press and the FBI, and playing a gossipy "did you hear" game between politicians, press, and FBI. None verifying anything contained within the dossier, but then saying that "sources" gave them the information as it was passed around like a hot potato. The FISA warrant was then deliberately obtained without mentioning that the information came from the rival Clinton campaign, knowing that had it been disclosed , the warrant would have likely been denied. 

There also have been numerous leaks from Mueller's investigators involving Michael Cohen, Jared Kushner, and the UAE. Mueller himself hasn't made any comments, but there have been leaks. In fact, though not Mueller related, Comey's leak sparked the whole special counsel proceeding.

The fact is though that it's not up to anyone to prove that collusion didn't happen. You can't prove a negative. But there's been no evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with the russian government to alter the election results. Should an election have been tampered with and results  changed, be that by Trump or any other politician for that matter, they should be hung. End of story as far as I'm concerned. But the way this collusion story has been played out so far has been frankly embarrassing.


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Posted: 22 April 2018 at 11:56am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Two out of three posts are here just to support Trump?
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 Paul Buchanan wrote:
Matt, you're helping make my point. Of the 19 indictments you mention, how many of those had to deal with election collusion? None that I've seen. They were all charged with making false statements.

No.  I'm not.  You're missing mine.  That you haven't heard anything tying it all together does not, in any way, mean there isn't something there.  I'm saying you're jumping to conclusions based on an incomplete, ongoing investigation by pulling out indictments and guilty pleas saying that because none of them are related to Russia, that means there is no there there.  But we don't know that.  Why?  BECAUSE THE SPECIAL COUNCIL IS STILL DOING ITS INVESTIGATION.  
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Of the 19 indictments you mention, how many of those had to deal with election collusion? None that I've seen. They were all charged with making false statements. Manafort and Papadopoulos were charged with money laundering issues. Flynn was also charged with making false statements (however, this plea could very likely be withdrawn, but we'll find out later next month). The rest were all Russians accused of identity theft and trolling charges from a Russian internet company with no ties show to the Trump campaign. In fact agents were also involved in anti-Trump trolling. An odd thing to do to someone you're supposedly colluding with the win an election.

Sigh. The right seems to want to move the goal posts with regard to Russia interference. I'm sure /someone/ wants to characterize it as Putin and Trump curled up in bed together as Putin teases Trump's toupee and offers him the presidency, but I don't think that's what happened. The Russians were interfering in the election. Whether it was for Trump or against Trump, it doesn't matter. They were interfering. Members of the Trump campaign may or may not have communicated with the Russians to aid with this action. Whether another aspect of that machine was anti-Trump trolling is irrelevant.



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The FISA warrant was then deliberately obtained without mentioning that the information came from the rival Clinton campaign, knowing that had it been disclosed , the warrant would have likely been denied.

This is false.The FBI disclosed that the information was paid for by a political rival. It didn't name the Clinton campaign specifically, but would that have been really difficult to figure out in October of 2016? And that ignores that an investigation had already been open for months because of George Papadapoulos.


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THE SPECIAL COUNCIL IS STILL DOING ITS INVESTIGATION.  

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Observers have noted that Mueller is running the investigation as you would a mob case. You get the guys on the periphery who are more vulnerable, indict them, and get them to flip on the bigger fish. It continues to follow this pattern and still has momentum, but people seem to want to end it prematurely.
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