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And they’ve stopped it before during the GWBush administration and offered to stop it before during the Obama administration. This is nothing new. Meanwhile, North Korea possibly has gained the capability to miniaturize a warhead and the ranges of their ballistic missiles have increased.

It’ll be great if the talks work out, but given the history of North Korea’s bait and switch tactics, Trump claiming that he has accomplished anything is severely premature. 

One reason for there not being a lot of pro-religious views on the list is possibly due to there being quite a number of non-religious/atheist folk here. I can think of three religious people here, all of whom are still members, and have expressed views in various topics.

As for gun threads, there is one person who appears to be pro-2nd Amendment. It gets heated for sure - gun debates will - but, again, the person is still here, often posts in defence of gun availability, and I can't recall censorship.

I have been on forums where censorship was a thing. A now-defunct AIRWOLF forum had moderators who made it clear that they didn't want discussion of the much-maligned fourth season. A MIAMI VICE forum I was on also tried to censor folk, particularly "newbies". 

But many people here have been members for 10-12 years. Why would folk stay if there was censorship?

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There is much stronger evidence of collusion — or a willingness to collude — than just incidental contact in the course of real estate business.

3 June 2016, Rob Goldstone emails Donald Trump Jr, writing: 

"Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something interesting. The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but it is part of Russia and its goverment's support for Mr Trump — helped along by Aras and Emin. "

(the email refers to Aras Agalarov, a Russian oligarch, and his son, Emin Agalarov).

Less than 20 minutes later Donald Trump Jr wrote back:

"Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it's what you say I love it especially later in the summer. "

In March 2016 the DNC was hacked by Russia. Russia gave the documents to Wikileaks.

In June 2016 the DNC says it was hacked by Russia. In July the NY Times published a story citing US intelligence's high confidence of Russia involvement in the hack.

In September and October 2016, Wikileaks contacted Donald Trump Jr, who responded several times back to them privately via Twitter. He notified key campaign people such KellyAnn Conway and Steve Bannon, but no one raised any alarm bells.

On 11 October 2016 Donald Trump tweeted: "I hope people are looking at the disgraceful behavior of Hillary Clinton as exposed by WikiLeaks. She is unfit to run."

On 12 October 2016, wikileaks privately message Donald Trump Jr and wrote, "Hey Donald, great to see your dad talking about our publications. Strongly suggest your dad tweet this link if he mentions us."

On 14 October 2016, Donald Trump Jr tweeted out the link he had been given (the tweet is here: LINK)

And there's plenty more evidence of key campaign people communicating privately with Wikileaks while publicly lying and saying there was no coordination between the Trump Campaign and Wikileaks.

Really? I have no idea what would have resulted from that*, but I know what has happened with Trump in the White House. I've seen staff and cabinet secretaries leaving right and left, whether of their own motivation or his discharging them. I've seen scum inhabiting the People's House. Contrarian comments and tweets, demanding ego, self-gratifying and self-aggrandizing speeches at inappropriate times and locations - that's what I've seen come out of the Trump White House.

I doubt that Bill would have a cabinet post. I doubt that Chelsea would be an unofficial but powerful speaker, with no title, and swinging around like a cat with a twenty foot long tail in a room full of rocking chairs. You can't avoid her, and she's a nuisance.

North Korea has stated that no further testing of nukes or medium to long range missiles is necessary. And that's a hell of a long way from disarming, or shutting down production.

*But I DO know that the Congress would have stalled and obstructed the shit out of her... as they did with Obama. Heaven forfend, but maybe 45's presidency might be the impetus for the voting citizenry to get out and vote, and try to clean out the old white men who are representing themselves, each other, and ridiculously exclusive interests, at the cost of the interests of the American people.