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Adam Schulman
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Cyborg has been in the Justice League for a while now, though it hasn't
made him more popular, and I'd prefer him back in the Titans.
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Agreed! That move still doesn’t feel right to me! If TPTB felt they had to
add a male character of that hue, Amazing Man or Black Lightning
would have been better choices.
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John Stewart/Green Lantern will be re-joining the League pretty soon. Cyborg is staying on the team. I still prefer Vic with the Titans. But I think this marks the first time that two Black men have been in the League at the same time. Took long enough.
(I'd prefer Black Lightning too. Or Steel. Steel was in the Grant Morrison JLA.)
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Stephen Churay
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Mr. TERRIFIC wasn't a part of the team?
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Mike Norris
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I think he was strictly JSA.
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Michael Roberts
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The Connor Hawke Green Arrow and Steel were on Morrison’s JLA at the same time, no? Although artists kept forgetting that Connor was mixed-race. If you drop the men qualifier, Black Lightning and Vixen were on Meltzer’s JLA together.
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Adam Schulman
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Blonde Connor Hawke (are we ever going to see him again? I wonder) kept reading as White, for the reason to just mentioned.
True about Vixen and Black Lightning on the JLA during Meltzer's run, which I didn't read, because I hadn't forgiven him for INFINITE CRISIS, and still haven't, though his contribution to ACTION COMICS #1000 is quite good.
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Stephen Churay
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Ok, this gets into what i really wanted to discuss, with
this thread...Does anybody know who Richard C. Meyer is
and the internet war going on between him and Mark Waid?
Edited by Stephen Churay on 14 May 2018 at 3:22pm
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Thomas Woods
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"Using Mainstream Comics As Political and Social
Commentary"
Did the title get changed?
The thing that bothers middle-of-the-road to hard
right type of people is that media -- comics, network
news, TV, Hollywood, late night TV, comedians, etc are
over-saturated with strong left leaning views that act
like "the right can do no good" and should have no
space to exist, or come off that way at least. Clumping everyone into a racist umbrella, etc.
This is just one of the factors that got Trump
elected, people were sick of it.
I would prefer comic characters to be more fair on
individual issues, leaning right on some, and left on
some, just like regular folks. Not lumping everything
plus the kitchen sink into a bag that can be labeled.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 14 May 2018 at 3:49pm
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Rebecca Jansen
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I think if you are going to have a character in anything express an opinion it's generally a good idea to have someone with a different view shown along with it for balance... I'm thinking of the new Roseanne show here more than say All In The Family or 'Til Death Us Do Part where one side is a caricature. If as a writer you can't write from multiple viewpoints you are maybe in the wrong business in my opinion.
I'm not sure about making statements in the format of a super-powers, or otherwise fantasy, scenario; even at best it's not quite playing straight after all. I kind of found Art Spiegelman's Maus a bit uncomfortable for reasons other than the family history shared in it (with talking animals, um, er, why?). It's a bloody tricky thing to pull off such things and have the respect of a majority of readers/viewers. Gene Roddenberry might be a best case scenario. If I have something capital 'I' important to say, or a War And Peace in me, why would I have colorful costumes and a lot of fantasy elements? I guess I'm a skeptic still on comic stories being fully mature... maybe Joe Kubert's Fax From Sarajevo?
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Wallace Sellars
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Some of you may find The Truth Podcast's recent "Justice Battalion" episode
enjoyable (or at the very least, interesting) since it touches on themes
mentioned here.
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Stephen Churay
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"Using Mainstream Comics As Political and
Social
Commentary"
Did the title get changed?
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No the title didn't change.
Simply pointing to the behind the scenes
mess about Meyer's video commentaries
about Marvel comics being used as a social
and political manifesto. Waid seems to
have taken exception to it.
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Shawn Kane
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I followed that story and even agreed at times with Diversity & Comics but he went way over the line with some things. The pros that he is arguing with are not much better but the personal attacks on both sides is pretty sad. The idea that someone does not want you to read their comics because of how you vote is ridiculous. The idea that a comic is not to your liking so you want the talent fired all the way up to the editor-in-chief is equally ridiculous maybe worse. It shows that lack of maturity among the fans and people working in comics. We almost expect it from a certain number of fans but the fact that the pros are stooping to that level is bad as well.
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Stephen Churay
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Shawn, the core of Meyer's argument about
an SJW movement beyond diverse characters
is one I agree with. I find a good chunk
of the dialogue to have contempt of the
straight, white, male portion of society.
Like you I think Meyer has crossed a line
on a few occasions. My theory is, if you
want to criticize creators to get better
product, don't stoop to childish name
calling.
Dan Slott tweeted him to make his own
comic, and create the content he wants to
see. So, he did. His online funded book
got over 6500 buys and a quarter of a
million dollars in funding. This caught
the interest of Antarctic Press. They
decided to publish the book after the
online campaign was honored. Then things
got stupid.
Here is what I know to be fact after
seeing screen shots.
Mark Waid, who is also a store owner, got
together with other shop owners, on
Facebook to block ordering Meyer's book
from being ordered. The group also decided
to not fill orders of customers who
directly asked for the book.
Meyer published a list of stores that
wouldn't carry the book. He did ask that
the stores be left alone yet store phone
numbers were on the list.
Waid admits via social media that he
personally contacted Antartic Press.
What was said is not completely known.
After this phone call, Antartic Press
releases a statement saying they have
changed their minds. They are backing out
of their agreement and are not publishing
the book anymore.
All of Mark Ward's social media accounts
have been shut down. Facebook, Twitter,
everything.
Meyer has filed a suit against Mark Waid
with the Federal Trade Commission.
Other things have been said but I haven't
anything to back it up. The rest is he
said/He said.
This went from people talking ugly to each
other, to something that feels a bit more
sinister.
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