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Bill Collins
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`Would a copy of Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion"
work on an atheist vampire?`

Maybe if you threw it with enough force!
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In today's world, someone would surely get rich if they created an app that could send a vampire away, recoiling in horror...

Better hope the phone battery doesn't go flat, though!
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I wish I had a kryptonite cross.  Then I could keep Superman AND Dracula away.

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Re the posts on page one saying that in a world where vampires did exist people would have to re-evaluate what they believe.

There is a large proportion of society that does the exact opposite of this - they never think of the question - if I believe this, then does that mean this must also be true?’

For example people who believe in ghosts or visit mediums to try to talk to dead relatives. If either of those two things were true, what are the implications? I meet very few people that believe both those things that have gone any further than ‘I’m going to a medium to try to contact my dead reletive’

I wouldn’t see those people going any further if vampires exist either
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Regarding mediums, when they `contact` the dead, why are
they always so vague? `I`m getting an old man who`s name
has a vowel in it` etc ;-)
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Regarding such phenomena, Bill, I think anyone can be a "mind-reader" with a bit of clever thinking.

Example: I see a guy on the bus. He has four shopping bags with him, filled with a lot of stuff. I may be able to make an educated guess and presume that a quantity such as that means he has a family - or a wife at least. 

Look at someone's hands. You can tell if they are a manual or clerical worker. I could set up a business - "Robbie The Mystic Mind Reader" - and say to someone, "You work indoors and don't do much lifting." It doesn't make me mystical, I'm just using facts and observation to come to conclusions.

I have never been to an event with a medium, but I know people who have. Those I do know have mocked it afterwards (I think some went specifically to mock such things). One person who attended an event told me that the 'medium' kept throwing things out there about dead relatives - don't we all have dead relatives? - and other vagueness. And for those who are gullible, they probably give something away - "Yes, my grandfather is dead, you are right!" - and then the 'medium' builds on that.
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Classic vampire lore is, at least in Europe, so deeply rooted in Christian mythology...

Yes. Intimately connected with the Blood Libel against Jews.

And not only in times long ago. The tropes continue to this day.

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I had a workmate who visited one and was amazed at what
they knew about him, i said a quick internet search of
electoral records would have given them a lot of tht
same info! If the dead are in a better place and wish to
contact us, why are they not telling us straight instead
of playing charades?
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Spiritualism began with two sisters clicking their toe joints under the table. It went thru a period of high theater, with manistations, levitation, voices and even floating musical instruments.

As the modern world unfolded, and fraud became easier to detect, mediums grew more and more vague, depending on the gullibility of their prey rather than elaborate production numbers.

The best defense against such nonsense, in all its forms, is simply to remember there is no such thing as the supernatural.

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"In a world where vampires exist, I'd think people would start questioning what they do or do not believe in." 
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In a similar vein, Ever since I was a kid I've always been puzzled by the idea that we were supposed to be scared by ghosts. Seeing a ghost to me would be like the greatest thing ever. As in proof of after-life, the immortal soul. That people are never really gone. It would be a cause of celebration to me.
But of course the flip side of it is that the desperate hope for that, is exactly what mediums rely on. (And depending on your views, perhaps what organized religions exploit too.)
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Fear of ghosts dates back to when the term was used not only for the spirits of dead people, but for any spirit, good or bad, that lacks a corporeal form. Recall when Horatio cautions Hamlet not to go with his father's ghost, as it may change to some terrible form.
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Oh..that I did not know. I had always thought it was solely the spirits of dead people.

Thanks for that. I've learned something new here today. (Or expanded my knowledge of something very old!)
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While not a great film, but an entertaining one, "Dracula 2000" posited the theory that

SPOILERS

Dracula was Judas, hence his aversion to the cross, precious metal which may have been added for the film (sold out to Jesus) and a wooden stake. (Wood also representing the cross). 
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In traditional vampire lore, the stake doesn't have to be wood, and pounding it into the vampire doesn't kill the thing.

The stake is pounded into and THROUGH the vampire when it is in its coffin, pinning it. Then the lid is nailed on, and the coffin is buried. The vampire remains in its undead state, trapped.

Nasty, huh?

The stake became a way to kill a vampire via Hollywood. It was a less disturbing means of dispatching the bad guys than the "real" ones.

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 John Byrne wrote:
The stake is pounded into and THROUGH the vampire when it is in its coffin, pinning it. Then the lid is nailed on, and the coffin is buried. The vampire remains in its undead state, trapped.

That's mean. Very mean!

I think I would side with the vampire against such cruelty...
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I also read that some folklore had it that a vampire was to be buried with the coffin facing upside-down, so that if it did escape the staking and its coffin, it would be digging further down into the ground.

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Oh, and yet another thing I recall reading vampire folklore as a kid is that in some areas the vampire was supposed to be decapitated and the body burned.
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 Robbie Parry wrote:
...I think I would side with the vampire against such cruelty...


Well, it was either they did that, or the villagers and their families became vampire chow. The goal wasn't to torture, but to rid the town of a vampire. Sometimes, getting rid of a vampire in nasty business, and it's never nice.



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As the mythology has it, to kill a vampire one must cut off its head, stuff the mouth with garlic, then burn the two parts separately at a crossroads. Scatter the ashes wide, to be on the safe side.

As with most such solutions, this would, of course, kill anybody!

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Back in the late 90's there was an Image comic series involving vampires, called CRIMSON, by Humberto Ramos. I have all the issues in a longbox somewhere, but haven't read them in years, and I'm not at home now to look through them, but I vaguely remember a scene where someone holds up a cross to repel a vampire who is approaching him, and the vampire just smacks it out of his hands and says something like I'm Jewish, you idiot, that doesn't affect me.

Sometime ago, this subject came up, and I asked an online friend of mine who's written his own vampire book series (Brookwater's Curse) and he said the way he portrays vampires is that it's not actually the symbols themselves but rather the belief, or lack thereof, of the person wielding it, that affects the vampires. So if an atheist holds up a cross, that wouldn't affect the vampire, but if a believing Jew held up a Star of David, that would deflect the vampire.

I then made a joke about Tom Cruise repelling a vampire by holding up a copy of Dianetics, to which he countered that that wouldn't count because, unlike Christianity and Judaism,  "Scientolgy is just make-believe," at which point I decided it was best to just drop the subject. . .
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"As with most such solutions, this would, of course, kill anybody!"

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Exactly. What's so great about vampires? They can be killed by things that kill humans, AND things that don't kill humans kill them. You might say, well, vampires can change into bats. So what? I can step into a house without being invited. Vampires can change into mist. So what? I can walk around in daylight. 
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Paul - Although hardly in a positive light, vampires are phenomenally strong, immune to most weapons, can turn into mist, bats, rats, move silently, and stalk humans - ANY humans - as their cattle. They do have a number of weaknesses... but they also have incredible advantages. And they are present every... single... night.

And vampires and invitations into homes is somewhat similar to Mr. Byrne's solution to Green Lantern's yellow weakness. "I am not invited into this house? Vhat about my army of vermin? Vhat about the holes I can smash in the valls? Perhaps I'll just set it on fire until it no longer stands as a home. Go ahead and run... you vill only die tired."
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About what can kill a vampire, what repels vampires, and other parts of vampire lore... It's all derived from a mix of folklore and entertainment from books, film, etc. Not all folklore is consistent with other folklore. So, the nice thing, I think, for a writer is that you can pick and choose what lore you want to use in your own stories. There is no absolute consensus, so as long as you remain true to your own rules in your tales, that is what matters.
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What if vampires were not affected by religious symbols, but feigned weakness for some reason? I can't think of a reason, but what if they perpetuated false rumours for some kind of end game, enslave humanity type of reason?

I vaguely remember a Twilight Zone or Outer Limits where a man in a bunker survives a nuclear war, but because of the fallout, the sun is blotted out and vampires rule with the absence of sunlight.
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...Mr. Byrne's solution to Green Lantern's yellow weakness.

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For those unfamiliar, that goes like this:

BAD GUY: You ring is powerless against my yellow armor!

GL: Hm. Let me think about that while I drop Mount Rushmore on your head!

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