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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 4716
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | 1
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... is it still patriotism?
-C!
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James Woodcock Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 21 September 2007 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 7581
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 2
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Gutless, spineless and I'm pretty sure unconstitutional.
Nice one Fart - and yes I do blame fart for this - this is people scared of repercussions from the sulphurous one.
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Charles Valderrama Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | 3
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BTW, this policy IS NOT IN ACCORD with player's union agreement.
What happens if an entire team doesn't come on the field until after the anthem is played?? or if players from both teams knee??
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 March 2009 Location: United States Posts: 8369
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 4
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Try this tomorrow, go to your place of employment and protest a cause you believe in. It doesn't matter what you're protesting really. I just want to know how long you would keep your job. At best, you would get a warning, "shut the hell up and get back to work.
These are employees that signed a contract to do a job. I think they need to shut the hell up and get to work.
Besides what's the saying. If you take the King's shilling you do the King's bidding.
Edited by Stephen Churay on 23 May 2018 at 3:37pm
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 20 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 14812
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 3:44pm | IP Logged | 5
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Try this tomorrow, go to your place of employment and protest a cause you believe in. It doesn't matter what you're protesting really. I just want to know how long you would keep your job. At best, you would get a warning, "shut the hell up and get back to work.
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My last place of employment would have no issue with me kneeling during a song.
The NFL should be consistent and shut down concessions and ticket taking during the Anthem. They should also throw out any attendees who don’t stand.
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Eric White Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 17 October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1066
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | 6
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These are employees that signed a contract to do a job.
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They signed a contract to play football. How are they not doing their job? And if my place of employment tried to force me to stand for the national anthem or pray to any god of their choosing, I'll protest until they fire me.
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Ronald Joseph Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 18 April 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1784
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | 7
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These are employees that signed a contract to do a job. I think they need to shut the hell up and get to work. Their job is to play football. When they stop doing that, mighty whitey can piss and moan and punish all he wants.
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Michael Sommerville Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 12 April 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 417
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 4:35pm | IP Logged | 8
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The NFL is a business and in business money dictates decision making. It was felt that this form of protesting was impacting the bottom line. Like any business they made a decision that this action would not be acceptable in the work place. This employer did have a problem with employees kneeling. Like all people, these employees' need to determine if they want to work for a business with these restrictions. They can quit or follow the rules. Is it fair or reasonable, maybe not, but business' make restrictions on employee behavior all the time. The big issue is that no one wants to compromise anymore. All issues are all or nothing. The best recourse I saw was in response to one of Trump's statements. If I recall correctly, the Team and Owner knelt and locked arms prior to the Anthem and then most stood for the Anthem. It made a statement and deflated any argument that it was unpatriotic. The form of the protest may have alienated some who believe in the reason behind it. The narrative has been lost, it has become about the right to protest, the way to protest, being unpatriotic, broader race issues, Trump, millionaires vs. billionaires, TV ratings, left vs. right. The focus of Black people and treatment by police is being lost in the rhetoric from all sides.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 09 June 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1356
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | 9
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Whether them kneeling or not is okay, it really is a turn off to make something that people want to be entertained by and forget the world for a couple of hours into a debate.
These players can debate all they want at any time. But you can't stop people from turning the channel cause they don't want to deal with it at that time.
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | 10
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They signed a contract to play football. How are they not doing their job? And if my place of employment tried to force me to stand for the national anthem or pray to any god of their choosing, I'll protest until they fire me. ====== I could do my job wearing bunny slipper and a bathrobe. I would still be doing my job. How I dress isn't effecting my productivity. But, my job has a dress code. As a condition of my employment, I have rules to follow.
The NFL isn't allowed to operate the same way? If anything players get to bargain with there employers about what will be rules. Has this been done thru proper channels agreed upon by both the employee's union and the employers?
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | 11
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Ronald,
If there job is to "play football" what are they doing (being compelled) standing for the National Anthem?
Marc
Edited by Marc Baptiste on 23 May 2018 at 5:45pm
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 5:59pm | IP Logged | 12
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The NFL isn't allowed to operate the same way? If anything players get to bargain with there employers about what will be rules. Has this been done thru proper channels agreed upon by both the employee's union and the employers?
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Nope. The statement from the NFLPA:
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The NFL chose to not consult the union in the development of this new "policy." NFL players have shown their patriotism through their social activism, their community service, in support of our military and law enforcement and yes, through their protests to raise awareness about the issues they care about.
The vote by NFL club CEOs today contradicts the statements made to our player leadership by Commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of the NFL's Management Council John Mara about the principles, values and patriotism of our League.
Our union will review the new "policy" and challenge any aspect of it that is inconsistent with the collective bargaining agreement. |
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