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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 12:09pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

... is it still patriotism?


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James Woodcock
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 12:11pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Gutless, spineless and I'm pretty sure unconstitutional.

Nice one Fart - and yes I do blame fart for this - this is people scared of repercussions from the sulphurous one.
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Charles Valderrama
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 12:33pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

BTW, this policy IS NOT IN ACCORD with player's union agreement.

What happens if an entire team doesn't come on the field until after the anthem is played?? or if players from both teams knee??

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Stephen Churay
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 3:36pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Try this tomorrow, go to your place of
employment and protest a cause you believe
in. It doesn't matter what you're
protesting really. I just want to know how
long you would keep your job. At best, you
would get a warning, "shut the hell up and
get back to work.

These are employees that signed a contract
to do a job. I think they need to shut the
hell up and get to work.

Besides what's the saying. If you take the
King's shilling you do the King's bidding.

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Michael Roberts
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Try this tomorrow, go to your place of  employment and protest a cause you believe  in. It doesn't matter what you're  protesting really. I just want to know how  long you would keep your job. At best, you  would get a warning, "shut the hell up and  get back to work. 

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My last place of employment would have no issue with me kneeling during a song.

The NFL should be consistent and shut down concessions and ticket taking during the Anthem. They should also throw out any attendees who don’t stand.
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Eric White
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 4:06pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

These are employees that signed a contract 
to do a job. 

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They signed a contract to play football. How are they not doing their job? And if my place of employment tried to force me to stand for the national anthem or pray to any god of their choosing, I'll protest until they fire me. 
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Ronald Joseph
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 4:16pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

These are employees that signed a contract 
to do a job. I think they need to shut the 
hell up and get to work. 

Their job is to play football. When they stop doing that, mighty whitey can piss and moan and punish all he wants.
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Michael Sommerville
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The NFL is a business and in business money dictates decision making. It was felt that this form of protesting was impacting the bottom line. Like any business they made a decision that this action would not be acceptable in the work place. This employer did have a problem with employees kneeling. Like all people, these employees' need to determine if they want to work for a business with these restrictions. They can quit or follow the rules. Is it fair or reasonable, maybe not, but business' make restrictions on employee behavior all the time. 

The big issue is that no one wants to compromise anymore. All issues are all or nothing. The best recourse I saw was in response to one of Trump's statements. If I recall correctly, the Team and Owner knelt and locked arms prior to the Anthem and then most stood for the Anthem. It made a statement and deflated any argument that it was unpatriotic. The form of the protest may have alienated some who believe in the reason behind it. The narrative has been lost, it has become about the right to protest, the way to protest, being unpatriotic, broader race issues, Trump, millionaires vs. billionaires, TV ratings, left vs. right. The focus of Black people and treatment by police is being lost in the rhetoric from all sides. 

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Thomas Woods
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 5:23pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Whether them kneeling or not is okay, it really is a
turn off to make something that people want to be
entertained by and forget the world for a couple of
hours into a debate.

These players can debate all they want at any time. But
you can't stop people from turning the channel cause
they don't want to deal with it at that time.
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Stephen Churay
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Posted: 23 May 2018 at 5:24pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

They signed a contract to play football.
How are they not doing their job? And if
my place of employment tried to force me
to stand for the national anthem or pray
to any god of their choosing, I'll protest
until they fire me.
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I could do my job wearing bunny slipper
and a bathrobe. I would still be doing my
job. How I dress isn't effecting my
productivity. But, my job has a dress
code. As a condition of my employment, I
have rules to follow.

The NFL isn't allowed to operate the same
way? If anything players get to bargain
with there employers about what will be
rules. Has this been done thru proper
channels agreed upon by both the
employee's union and the employers?
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Marc Baptiste
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Ronald,

If there job is to "play football" what are they doing (being compelled) standing for the National Anthem?

Marc


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Michael Roberts
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The NFL isn't allowed to operate the same  way? If anything players get to bargain  with there employers about what will be  rules. Has this been done thru proper  channels agreed upon by both the  employee's union and the employers?

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Nope. The statement from the NFLPA:


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The NFL chose to not consult the union in the development of this new "policy." NFL players have shown their patriotism through their social activism, their community service, in support of our military and law enforcement and yes, through their protests to raise awareness about the issues they care about.

The vote by NFL club CEOs today contradicts the statements made to our player leadership by Commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of the NFL's Management Council John Mara about the principles, values and patriotism of our League.

Our union will review the new "policy" and challenge any aspect of it that is inconsistent with the collective bargaining agreement.
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