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Thomas Woods
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| Posted: 10 June 2018 at 2:48pm | IP Logged | 1
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Black Adam...wait...what if Adam stole the gem of
Cytorrak for himself?
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The question would be, would the power stack, or just
fill out any missing potential?
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Tim Cousar
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| Posted: 13 June 2018 at 5:44pm | IP Logged | 2
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Captain Marvel's powers come from supernatural beings, and magic triggers the transformation from Billy to Cap, but Captain Marvel is not magical.
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Joseph Greathouse
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| Posted: 13 June 2018 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | 3
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I would disagree with that statement since each of Cap's powers are of the gods. He isn't just super fast, he has the Speed of Mercury.
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Thomas Woods
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| Posted: 13 June 2018 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | 4
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As far as fighting Superman goes, I don't think Cap's
magical nature plays into how well he does against
Superman other than his lightning trick he used in
Kingdom Come. Since I don't follow DC, there could be
other stories where it did and I am unaware of it.
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Andrew Bitner
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| Posted: 14 June 2018 at 6:52am | IP Logged | 5
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I'm with the consensus here that Juggernaut would be able to beat Doomsday. Being mystically powered, he's got an advantage Doomsday can't overcome. That said, since Doomsday self-resurrects and holds a grudge, it would probably be impossible for Juggernaut to achieve a permanent victory over Doomsday.
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Andrew Bitner
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| Posted: 14 June 2018 at 6:56am | IP Logged | 6
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Regarding a point Eric Sofer made above: Doomsday's skin has always been gray. He was wearing a high-tech confinement suit with metal bands around it when he first broke out of his prison cell. His left arm was still bound behind his body when he fought the Justice League (yes, he beat the League literally WITH ONE ARM BEHIND HIS BACK--funny use of an old cliche), but he stripped off most of the suit later. He still wears the trunks, though, which are green.
While the suit was green, Doomsday's skin was gray. He didn't change color.
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Andrew Bitner
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Lastly, yes, Juggernaut AND Doomsday should both be stronger than Superman. But strength, invulnerability and an apparent inability to be stopped are what they have going for them; Superman has a broader range of abilities and, if he thinks a bit in advance, should be able to beat them.
Tossing them into outer space, for instance, is kind of hard for either of these two to overcome. Sure, they'd survive, but neither can make their way back to Earth under their own power, so...
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Eric Sofer
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Well, Andrew B., you have lasered in on the truth, ignoring any possible artistic license or dramatic interpretation. You're right; Doomsday was always gray. He never appeared green.
Maybe if he'd appeared purple, then...? :)
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Doug Centers
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During my reading time it seemed Juggernaut was often neutralized by ripping his helmet off. Not sure if that was just a 70's thing or not but it's what I have to go off of. I have no history with Doomsday, but am aware he killed Superman. So, I'll give it to Doomsday by a helmet!
Edited by Doug Centers on 17 June 2018 at 7:07am
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Robbie Parry
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The removal of the helmet left Juggernaut vulnerable to telekinetic (is that the right word?) attacks from the likes of Professor X. So his strength and forward momentum remained.
Doomsday could remove the helmet, but Juggernaut would still be a formidable foe.
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Doug Centers
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Ahh, maybe just a '70's thing then.
Edited by Doug Centers on 17 June 2018 at 7:19am
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Robbie Parry
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Ah, interesting panels, Doug. Truth is, I guess inconsistencies are a thing. The majority of stories I've read, which feature the helmet being taken off, were from the 90s; it could well be that the helmet was tied into his powers back then.
I remember a 70s story where Juggernaut got his clock cleaned relatively easily by Hulk. I doubt it would be as easy today.
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