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Joe Smith
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 11:02am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Cleaned up for today’s delicate sensibilities. I, however, was looking
forward to seeing Wolverine get his comeuppance.
The previous version put it in a place where I could understand why
Kitty would be jittery enough to phase accidentally through the floor of a
jet.
More beautiful art, though!
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 11:05am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Did some article out there complain about the previous
version?
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Brennan Voboril
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I have to admit I don't get the objections to the first version.  
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Neither do I! But we live in an age where we have to second guess ourselves at every turn.

Well, when Marvel decides to publish this, I'll give them a choice.

I mean, IF.

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Brennan Voboril
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Wolverine is a homicidal maniac that barely keeps himself in check but an attempted spanking is over the line?  
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Remember back in THE AVENGERS when Hawkeye finished up a battle with Deathbird by laying a big smooch on her? We received ONE (1) letter of complaint, calling him a rapist.

Today, I wonder......

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Rebecca Jansen
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That Avengers (#189) got me into the title. I thought it was a bit like Bugs Bunny kissing Elmer Fudd. :^)
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Michael Gummelt
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I preferred the spanking version, but your new version totally works, too.  Wolverine is still to blame for Kitty falling out of the plane, so Colossus can still get really pissed at him.

This whole question of the modern take on sexualization in comics reminded me of a question I wanted to ask:

How did you guys get away with putting The White Queen and Jean Grey in such fetish wear in the Hellfire Club arc?

Was it your idea, Claremont's or both?

Did editors or CCA make you alter it?

Did you get complaints about it?

Was this not seen as so sexual back then because it wasn't really a popular fetish? (and fetishes, in general, were more of a personal/private thing back then)


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Everything in the Hellfire Club was published as I drew it. The CCA didn't even blink.

Times change!

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Thomas Woods
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Remember back in THE AVENGERS when Hawkeye finished up a
battle with Deathbird by laying a big smooch on her? We
received ONE (1) letter of complaint, calling him a
rapist.

Today, I wonder......

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Deathbird attacks, tries to maim or even kill Hawkeye.
Hawkeye goes for a kiss "RAPE@!"
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Thomas Woods
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How did you guys get away with putting The White Queen
and Jean Grey in such fetish wear in the Hellfire Club
arc?

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Have you seen how women dress at comic conventions? This
is one of those annoying things I hate about today... "I
can dress this way if I want, but you can't like it!"
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Ernest Degollado
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 6:26pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

There is a lot I like about the revised version.
- the view from the Stratojet
- Kitty's dialogue, a teenager in which everything is new to her
- Kitty accidentally phasing, basically still learning how to control her powers
I'm amazed at how seamless the new panels fit in.  I will say this about the changes,  not better, both were great, just different.  I didn't read any sexual connotation into the previous panels but maybe I'm just a naive bumpkin 
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John Byrne
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 6:42pm | IP Logged | 13 post reply

...maybe I'm just a naive bumpkin

•••

Then I R 1 2!

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BTW, that small profile of Kitty, in panel 3, is one of my personal bests. I love it!
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Doug Centers
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 7:36pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Fantastic looking replacement panels!

I also prefer the originals (which I inked), the offending panel never crossed my mind that way. But because of the hubbub will forever be tainted when I look at it. So good decision!
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Jeffrey Rice
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Kitty seemingly jumped off your pencil most effortlessly in this exercise.
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Philippe Pinoli
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Posted: 06 August 2018 at 10:15pm | IP Logged | 17 post reply

our world changes all the Time, not
necessarily in the (b)right direction all
the Time...but, let's be pragmatic...we
just got 4 extra panels (and a first one
of beauty indeed), niark niark niak !!!!
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Eric Ladd
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Posted: 07 August 2018 at 5:54am | IP Logged | 18 post reply

JB, I noticed on the newly inserted panels you drew Kitty's belt with the round buckle. Did you make the change to her belt on all of the other pages as well?


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Leigh DJ Hunt
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Posted: 07 August 2018 at 6:46am | IP Logged | 19 post reply

Things do change guys, not always for the better but things change. Personally I wasn't offended by the original version but I can imagine many who would not like it. I prefer the new version and now it's just a perfect issue.
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I like the new panels!  






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Happily, so do I! :)
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Because my madness knows no bounds, I decided to do a quick and dirty model of the Gray house, for scale and proportions.

Here's were I've got to so far. . .

Just a few details to add, for my purpose.

This is rendered using the Ps Find Edges function.

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Tinkering with blue line. . .

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Thomas Woods
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I saw a comic artist on youtube who was doing breakdowns
and pencils in photoshop, then he would shift it blue
and print it out on bristol board to do his inking. Must
be a nice printer.



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Posted: 08 August 2018 at 7:33pm | IP Logged | 25 post reply

I've got all the pages done up in 300 dpi blue line. I've even kept up with updating the pages that JB has changed.



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