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Tim O Neill
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I donít like Palmerís inks on this.  He didnít just overpower JBís pencils, he changed the piece completely.  I believe this was a cover image, so maybe he felt an obligation to make it grand with detail.  But JBís Silver Surfer is powerful in his sleekness and simplicity.  And when you keep the character design simple, the coloring works much better.  Silver Surfer will be white, and we have heard much on the Forum about the graphic power of white space.  When the inker and the colorist try to fill in this white space, they are not considering the overall work.  Sometimes less is more.

And to be clear, this is not a knock on Tom Palmer.  I just love his work on X-MEN HIDDEN YEARS.  I was disappointed when the series didnít feature JB inking has own work, but having Palmer on the book turned out to be a stroke of genius.  Palmer provided a kind of connective tissue between the Neal Adams run and the ďall new all differentĒ iteration that featured JB.





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I definitely prefer the Surfer's face in the original pencils and just that whole piece in general. It's gorgeous. The finished product made for a great cover too but, man, those pencils are superb. 
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I quite like the changes that Palmer made to the right leg (i.e. back) leg, but apart from that, I find the changes tend to diminish rather than add, particularly the face, the lighting (the dramatically-lit torso going to those abs most of all), and the cosmic swirl behind. Sad that we lost those beautifully smoothly curves in the background.

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Palmer tends to have a pretty heavy handed style and usually overwhelms the pencils on most of the projects he works on. Sometimes his style fits well with the penciller (inking Gene Colan comes to mind), but I find he tends to dominate the work. He has worked with some excellent pencilers like Byrne, Colan, Buscema and Epting and manages to make them all look like they were drawn by the same person. 

I think a successful inker is one who is able to embellish the penciled art and add a touch of their own style but doesn't overwhelm the piece. Their job is to enhance not take over and Palmer too often falls into that trap of making it his own.
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Man Nathan, thanks for posting this!! Never saw the original pencils.


Now I want whoever owns the pencil original to post a nice high res scan of them so we can all enjoy it....
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From an inking standpoint, I'd say that I really prefer the movement JB had in the background. These are pretty finished pencils and some of Palmer's additions are, to me, questionable. (And I LOVE Palmer's inking)

When I see him as inker, I expect a significant contribution, but when looking at these pencils, I wonder why some of these decisions were made.

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Joel: I wonder why some of these decisions were made.

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The small changes confuse me most. For example, SS's screen right leg was completely redrawn. Look at where the knee lines up with the surfboard on both drawings... why change that? 
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The lines on the surfboard jump out to me as another "Huh? Why redraw that?'

There are so many changes done to something I wouldn't want to change at all
so every detail brings its own mystery.

I can only suppose Mr. Palmer felt or was told that it needed a lot of fixes.
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Also, keep in mind that this was inked in to published on 1982's printing presses. The final colored page looks amazing! (tho I it looks even less like JB)  But some things might have been approached from that sort of perspective.
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Ive seen this cover many times.

I had no idea this was a John Byrne pencilled piece.
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Palmer knew it was a cover image, so maybe there was a sense by him or the editors to make it Grand.  So they spilled a lot of ink on it!

The only good thing about this instance is that the penciled art gets some attention.  The pencilled piece is more cosmic and grand than the inked piece to me!



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This is the comic that really made me not like Palmerís inks over JB pencils. Donít like them here and donít like them on XMHY. 
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