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Robert Bradley
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There are inkers I would call embellishers - Klaus Janson, Tom Palmer, Kevin Nowlan, Joe Sinnott, Wally Wood, Ernie Chan being examples - and when they're hired, they're hired to do what they do (sometimes over breakdowns).

Austin is much more faithful to the original line, and this style of inker is more likely to be popular with fans of the original artist.

Outside of JB inking his own pencils, if you want his art as "pure" as you can get it, you hire someone like Austin.

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In his own way, Austin is as heavy handed as Palmer, but he's just the right kind of heavy handed for JB.  Not all JB, mind you - much in the same way you'd want Kirby/Sinnott for FF and Kirby/Coletta for Thor, I don't really see Austin's precise, dense, controlled linework being a fit for JB's FF. 
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Sean Guo Hua
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Love JB's pencil version.
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Brian Miller: This is the comic that really made me not like Palmerís inks over JB pencils. Donít like them here and donít like them on XMHY
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Nathan Greno: Fully agree 
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I have to say I felt that Palmer's inks overpowered JB's work in the Silver Surfer one-shot. But I found them perfectly appropriate in Hidden Years.  I liked that JB was building a visual as well as a textual bridge between the Thomas-Adams stories and Wein-Claremont-Cockrum-Byrne era.  I particularly liked when Joe Sinnott inked the FF elements during their guest appearance. I thought it was really creative effort to play with the possibilities of the medium as well as a nod to the historic development of the characters.  

That said, Palmer would not be in my top 5 folks to ink JB if any such decision were up to me.
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Posted: 16 November 2018 at 12:10pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Check it out! Josef Rubinstein took a crack at this one!


And for comparison...

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I love the Rubinstein! Adds without detracting. Ideal inking.

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Totally agree with Michael, and that's saying a lot from one of the few who were a bit more critical of Rubinstein's inks during the Cap run.  That's the cover we should have gotten.


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I really like Rubinstein's inks here too. I can still see JB in his version. 
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It's gorgeous.
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No disrespect to Tom Palmer, who is a fantastic artist, but I definitely prefer Josef Rubinstein's inks in this instance, as JB's linework and style come through clearer. I think JB's pencils, and the Rubinstein inked piece genuinely look more exciting.

That said, I loved Palmer inks on John Buscema. That was a great pairing.
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Check it out! Josef Rubinstein took a crack at this one!

Maybe he'll take a crack at some of those beautiful ELSEWHEN pencils next!  


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I think it comes down to desired effect. I
personally always want to see JB's pencils
shine through. Some, may not care and just
want an enjoyable package.Those people are
getting a very high quality comic. Sinnott
is also very heavy handed. He makes
everyone look like Sinnott. But if Sinnott
inked your book, its going to look great.
Its just going to look like Joe.
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Something just hit me. I wonder what Image
inker, Scott Williams inks looks like over
JB's pencils?
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Make mine, Rubinstein! (I do prefer Palmerís handling of the board
though.)
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Stephen, he inked a few JB pages on UXM back when Jim Lee was pencilling. Looked rather nice, I thought. 
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BTW Rubinstein might be stopping by to see this thread -- I mentioned to him on Facebook that I posted the piece here. 

I believe this piece is a commission. Very cool piece to own!




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THERE are those JB light sources.  Nice.
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Hello! I am a Spanish fan and since I saw the original pencils of John Byrne for that cover, I wanted to produce, as a personal exercise, an edition of the cover trying to be more faithful to the pencils of what Tom Palmer was.
Since I'm just an amateur, I opted for an inking in pure B & W without adding textures, to reinforce the classic look while also coloring avoiding Photoshop effects.
Obviously I do not have the skills of professional inkers, so I beg you to be lenient with the result  ;)
Done with all the respect and admiration for the work of John Byrne, I hope you like it. Greetings from Spain!
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I recently bought this one-shot and read it for the first time. Enjoyed it quite a bit, but, yeah, the inks do overpower the pencils. 
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Posted: 29 May 2019 at 4:15pm | IP Logged | 20 post reply

I love it now but when it first came out I so wanted Terry Austin to ink a John Byrne Silver Surfer comic!
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Alfredo, judging you as you ask (which is, not a pro standard), I would say I quite like the central figure of the Surfer, with the exception of the right hand -- I think there you have lost the anatomical accuracy which was in JB's pencils.

I can see you have put a lot of work into the backgrounds, but at first glance I don't think this is apparent. I think the cosmic background would have benefitted from following suit from the Palmer and Rubinstein versions with bold white stars. Your white dots are subtle to the point that, in places, they look like imperfections in what is intended to be a uniform black space.

I do like how faithful you kept the Surfer's face to the pencils.

Reflection lines on the board are missing, which I though was a simple yet effective detail in the pencils. 

Finally, I think you should have stayed faithful to the lighting JB used for the foreground rock (i.e. shadow on top and lit from beneath). The lack of spotted blacks on the rock leaves it looking flat, almost like something intended for a colouring book.





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Oh man.  I LOVE these pencils.

I wish the original face had not been destroyed. 

And the Silver Surfer does not need all those muscles that Palmer added.  He has the POWER COSMIC!

John Byrne did it right.

I loved this single shot issue, but I have always felt that the inks overpowered the beauty of what the pencils must have been like because I only seen Byrne greatness shine through about half the time.  The rest of the time it looks like Palmer embellished.
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I like Joe's better than Tom's inks.  But the eyes still aren't right.

I think I'm going to have to say I wish John could have inked his own work on this.  This was around the same time that when I saw John Byrne ink himself on his other books I felt it was the height of greatness.  Along with George Perez inking himself on NTT covers.
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Thanks for your comments Peter!

The background of stars I was trying several options, but it did not convince me at all ... When I started working on it I had not seen Rubinstein's solution, which seems more accurate than Palmer's, make a background that was not 100% black that does not invade the figure of the Surfer and make it stand out.
I tried to apply some shade / reflection to the table, but since I did not want to add modern coloring effects, I considered that leaving it with a continuous color was more appropriate.
What is an unforgivable mistake is not having faithfully followed the original illumination of John Byrne  : '(
Again, thank you very much for your appreciations, with a criticism we learn more than with a compliment ;)

Greetings.
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