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Wallace Sellars
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In terms of comic books...

I'll go with our friendly neighborhood Spider-Man's rogues gallery. Doctor Octopus is such an underrated villain... And I've enjoyed stories featuring the likes of Electro, J. Jonah Jameson, Kraven the Hunter, the Lizard, Mysterio, the Rhino, Sandman, the Shocker and Vulture more than I have stories about Batman taking on his foes.
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If Marvel did a volume like "Essential Spider-Man Villains Vol. 1", which featured all those Wallace and others have mentioned, I'd be all over it.

If DC did a volume like "Showcase Presents Batman Villains Vol. 1", I'd be all over it, too.

But if I could only buy one, it'd be the Spider-Man villain book! 
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"Batman. None of Spider-Man's rogues have the emotional range and psychological depth of the Joker or Two-Face."'

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Spider-Man's villains do tend to tie thematically into his character though. They're loners like he was but older and bitter (whereas Peter is young.) They also got great power, but did not learn the lesson about great responsibility. Some were scientists, like Peter, but the experiments that mutated them made them ugly or drove them to selfishness.

Spider-Man for the win.
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No. Villains as loners is a theme that is universal across fiction and has nothing to do with any sort of thematic tie to supposed "loner" Parker who remains constantly surrounded by a larger group of people than you'd see at some awards shows. 

Also, no points awarded for the villains' ties to science (hey, there's something you never see) or some equation to Peter's early involvement with that non-theme throughout most of his history. Peter's science background for decades was simply there to explain his ability to make web-fluid and spider-tracers. Every now and then he went to a science class. Otherwise, science was not a component of the character.

So... just no.

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Spider-Man.

Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Electro, Kraven, the Scorpion, Mysterio, Sandman, the Lizard, the Vulture, Chameleon, the Tinkerer, Rhino, Kingpin, Silvermane, Morbius, Man-Wolf, Hobgoblin, Spencer Smythe, Tarantula, plus "anti-heroes" like the Punisher, the Black Cat and Venom.  And of course his biggest nemesis - J. Jonah Jameson.
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I think it's funny when you do ask who can carry a movie and then discount the Punisher. lol 

But I guess we mean "reoccurring villains" as in the ones that always get away come back next week.

Does Venom count? Cause that's like a huge anchor.
I also say that Batman has "deeper" bad guys because Batman is an adult and Spider-young-man has a lot of goofy (as in appealing to younger audiences) foils.

Let's go full geek and ponder who'd win in a fight....
Or better, who would do better against the others' enemies?




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I will go with Spider-Man's rogues.  I think there is a wider range of abilities and I prefer their origin stories.  I also find them visually more appealing. 
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 Drew Spence wrote:
Let's go full geek and ponder who'd win in a fight....

Your wish is (was) my command:

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Oh snaps and I replied in that thread...and I like what I said. lol
Still always depends on who's writing the story. You got 3 choices...

1) Raw data based on statistics. "Can lift" "Takes damage like" "Fast as" "Brain size (lol)"
2) Story-based: What they usually do or have done in similar scenarios based on what previous writers have done.
3) Your own take: What I think they would do as an avid reader.

No different than Kirk verse Luke. Vader verse Spock.

When I put all three into account, I get an initial skirmish that Spiderman wins from webbing that allows Spiderman to swing off. Spiderman is studying the lore of Batman (maybe gets it wrong so he dislikes and mis-understands Batman). Batman analyzes  everything Spiderman and formulates a plan.

 Second fight, goes Batman's way heavy, early and seems like a win- Spiderman is conflicted and trying to gain the upper hand. Eventually Peter loses his temper and goes too hard on Batman and thinks he's won the physical confrontation, which leads him into Batman's trap and Batman's plan works to defeat Spiderman (probably with a booby-trapped spidey-gadget that backfires- like the webbing does something TO Spiderman. = The Batman mutated webbing doesn't dissolve and Spidey is captured by the Bats.

Batman gets his butt kicked, but still wins.

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They both have awesome villains.
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Batman.

I find there is a bigger depth in variety, motivation, scope and engagement with the Bat Rogues.


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Who the heck is Spiderman?
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