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Greg Kirkman
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 11:39am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

And, yes, it looks like a Space Dildo.
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SPAAAAAAACE DIIILLL-DOHHHHHHH!
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

Darn...

I was going to call it a "Borg Suppository"
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:36pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Given the sexual undercurrents of TMP (and much of Roddenberry's work in general), the shape of the ship isn't all that surprising, really.

And then there's the Enterprise swimming upstream, penetrating an orifice which leads to the inner chamber, and "fertilizing" V'Ger with Decker's humanity to give birth to a new life-form.



...now, let's see V'Ger get it on with the Doomsday Machine. Space Dildo meets Space Fleshlight. Ahem.
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 7:08pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

And all of this in a G-rated film, no less. What is this world coming to...?

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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 8:14pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

I would be remiss if I didn't note that for the Director's Edition, the film was re-rated as "PG"!
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Well, I suppose when you add shots of a giant dildo...

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Posted: 13 February 2019 at 8:37am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I liked V'ger. I ordered one. You guys are mean. "snif" I'm gonna report you guys for bullying...
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I’ve paid as little attention as possible to TMP, but I must say I didn’t really get a sense of V’ger having a shape. I saw it more as an amorphous mass. After all, if it had looked like this there would have been no reason for the flyover. A scan from a distance would have isolated the “nerve center”.
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What it comes down to, I think, is that the extremely rushed and complex production of TMP led to a lot of confusion. They had definitely planned for the V’Ger ship to be a thing during production, but the final film—with lengthy effects shots being cut in at the last minute without trimming, and no overall shot of the ship—ended up giving the impression of an amorphous mass.

The original idea was that the Enterprise came across this massive ship at the center of the cloud, then flew over it to get a closer look at what they were dealing with. However, as you note, JB, there’s no real in-universe reason for this, aside from the sensors being stated as unable to penetrate the exterior (and, later, the interior chamber) of the ship. The filmmakers clearly just wanted to have a bunch of impressive and cinematic effects shots in there. 

I also prefer the “amorphous mass” approach. Seeing the actual ship in its entirety actually makes V’Ger seem less imposing and less impressive. Heck, for the Director’s Edition, they even changed the dialogue stating the diameter of the cloud as 82 AUs (which is ridiculously big) to 2 AUs (which is very slightly less ridiculously big).


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I remember that 82 AUs thing striking me as weird even when I was in junior high...that meant that V'Ger was almost as big as the solar system itself, and I wondered how, if it were THAT big, they could even tell that it was heading straight for Earth instead of just, like, the Sun or something.
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Sounds like the Milennium Falcon making the Kessel run in under 12 parsecs.
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