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Steve Adelson
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I thought the whole MSHSW was a gimmick, distracting from more interesting (focused) stories while this event got shoehorned in. I recognized that with a "cast" this large, no one was going to get a lot of time.

That said, while the Black Costume was part of it, I did find it pretty interesting pre-Venom.
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I thought it was blah.  And then it became a villain.  When my friends wanted to see the VENOM movie a few weeks ago, I muttered that the poster's tagline should be: "The costume that went bad."
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when it came out I was living in a town where comics were hit and miss to find,
so I hadn't seen secret wars and I was curious what happened.

Visually I though the black costume was interesting.
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This is one of those interesting cases where the redesign was really cool but it's also at odds with the classic look leading to a situation of do we keep the new look or go back to the old one. Personally, I was a fan of the time when he alternated between the two as it gave us the best of both worlds. 

Then Venom came along and ruined the whole thing.
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I believe the original art for the black costume sketch surfaced a couple of years ago.   

I've seen Mike Zeck and Rich Leonardi variously credited for the black costume design though that 'multiple views' sketch screams Leonardi to me -- and I never realized how much the 2099 costume borrows from the black costume (which perhaps isn't surprising since it's also Leonardi's work).

I like the black costume design a lot, it's sleek and understated.   It looks like they dropped the red parts of the costume because on newsprint the solid black of the costume tends to look matte compared to everything else, and applying the color on top of complex parts of the costume (like the spider emblem) makes it bleed over the matte black and the effect is less than pleasing.   

Then again, they were doing this in the 1960s:


 
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I enjoyed the costume and the stories revolving around it. When I moved on from avid reading, the symbiote was in the jar. I've never actually read a Venom story.
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I actually liked Venom. I thought he was a real threat to Spider-Man. It was when Carnage and Doppleganger turned up. That was it for me.
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I thought it looked cool with the red. I never liked it black and white. I think the black costume was an attempt to make Spider-Man a "dark" book, which doesn't work well. 
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I was 11. I saw the cover and was excited and confused and everything in between. I loved it then and I love it now. 
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It wasn't for me.
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As a young teen, it seems that I was probably caught up in the novelty of Spider-Man having a new costume.  I was only beginning to discover comic book shops at that point and there wasn't an internet so I didn't really have much outside influence.  When Web of Spider-Man #1 hit that seems like the height of the black costume excitement in my world.  Wasn't that into Secret Wars.  Was aware of it but didn't follow it so #8 wasn't a big part of my life.

"My" Spider-Man was definitely blue and red.  My paperback reprints, Mego toys, Remco "Energized" Spider-Man and even a Youth Opportunity Sales Club Decoplauqe wall hanging were all how Spider-Man was imprinted on me and by that point, Spider-Man had no hint of black on his costume.

Did anyone else ever have one of these?  They were plastic, smooth on the back but crinkle textured on the front.  I want to say they were about 16 inches tall and cut to the outline of the character.  I can't find any for sale on ebay so I wonder how rare they are?


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If you like the black costume, check this out. You need to cross your eyes so that the pictures overlap and line up with each other. I found it on reddit. 
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I didn’t like it at all - they were messing with one of the most iconic costume designs in comic book publishing, and a big part of Marvel’s identity.  



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I found those wrap-around legs a bear to draw!
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Hated the black costume.
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I actually liked Venom.

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I created Venom, u kno. (tee hee)

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"If you like the black costume, check this out. You need to cross your eyes so that the pictures overlap and line up with each other. I found it on reddit."

Oh no, not one of those! I never could get those 90's posters to work for me.

Plus, I don't see anything that this guy improved over the original.
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I loved it. And it was a very big deal.
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I once asked Shooter how those back-of-the-hand webshooters were supposed to work. In Ditko’s original design, the weblines shot straight out across Peter’s palm, making it the easiest thing in the world for him to grab them. Shooter informed me that “all he had to do” was flip his hand over to grab the line.

Couldn’t make that any way practical in my mind.

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I found those wrap-around legs a bear to draw!

*****

But you did it so well. You, Leonardi, Frenz, Zeck and Art Adams were the only ones who really made it look right. 


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Did anyone else ever have one of these?  They were plastic, smooth on the back but crinkle textured on the front.  I want to say they were about 16 inches tall and cut to the outline of the character.  I can't find any for sale on ebay so I wonder how rare they are?

I was looking for them recently and couldn't remember at all what they were called. Thanks for finding that ad!

I think we had Superman and Batman, at least one of them, anyway. I'm inclined to say that they weren't very durable at all, since I'd have done my best to hang onto them. Low-grade plastic, cheap production values, and forty years' time make me guess that they're pretty rare in 2018.
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-Vintage-Spiderman-Crinkle-Plas tic-Wall-Hanging-Art-Comic-Action-Figure-Toy/233028221904?ha sh=item3641907bd0:g:idsAAOSw1KRcAgE2:rk:3:pf:0

I've removed the space between the "k" and the "l" a number of times to make this link functional, but it returns with each "Update Post." The same holds true of the space between the "2" and the "1" later in the address. I hope those interested are nevertheless able to use the information in the above link to track down what one of these wall hangings looked like. This seller is selling his for around $100.

On this latest attempt the spaces shifted and now occur between the "s" and the "t" in "plastic" and the "a" and the "s" in "hash."


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The original Spider-Man costume is my favorite super hero costume of all.  The black costume is my second favorite.  Seems unlikely that my top two costumes would belong to the same character!
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I'm watching Spider-Man 3 at the moment and among the shopping list of things wrong with it is that they failed to capture what was cool about the black costume. They had it simply as a colour-variant of their normal Spider-Man costume, but the symbol and the eyes have to be big and the rest has to be... black.
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I liked it fine at the time, and was actually pleased that some things from Secret Wars actually carried over.  Then someone had the bright idea to turn it into Venom...bleah.
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