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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 10 January 2019 at 8:02pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Whoever that guy was in Sword of Aquaman.

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Duuuuude, I had successfully excised that guy from my memory and you had to go and ruin that. 
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Posted: 10 January 2019 at 8:24pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

I am a unrepentant bastard, Michael. Ask anyone. :-)

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This thread was about changes to characters, not an excuse to have a pop @ new characters. Brian, as ever, has written with elocance to explain that difference.

Yes, turning straight characters gay all of a sudden is a problem. 

Increasing the number of female writers, ethnic writers, minority writers (however you define these) & characters that fit these descriptions is not a problem. That these characters talk about their situations is not a problem, & it shouldn’t be a problem, even if they are a derivative character (except that I don’t like derivative characters as it deuniques a character - but that’s a separate issue)

What is a problem is when an established character suddenly, with no previous indication, does a 180, or, through a series of managed manipulations, ends up in a situation where they do a 180 but it doesn’t look like a 180.

Look, don’t bemoan females writing about female issues. Women put up with a lot of crap - that we men just don’t realise. Even when we say we do, we don’t. They are even losing all their safe spaces through ‘self identification’ - concentrate on that, not on ‘have you seen this new female character? How come she manages to solve everything?’ Erm, because she’s the star of the book/film.

But Cyclops should still have never got together with Emma Frost
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Brian Floyd
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Cyclops and Emma and the Scott-Jean-Logan love triangle were both bad ideas. As I said before, Logan's feelings for Jean should have been one-sided.




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I remember when I got it in to comics it was about reading about my favourite superheroes taking on my favourite super villains every month. Now...ugh...
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Eric Jansen
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Posted: 11 January 2019 at 6:01am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Eric, whatever you're worried is going to happen has already taken place. The romance between the two is spoken of in the past tense in Dark Wolverine #4 from 2010.
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Okay, thanks.  That brings up a new question--does anyone really care what happened in DARK WOLVERINE?  Or, rather, do such important changes to a character really count if we only read about them in somebody else's book, by a creative team that has nothing to do with said character?

I've been checking in with the FF for at least the last nine years and I've seen nothing of this Daken "relationship" in Johnny's home series.  I had to dig a little bit to find mention of it on the Internet and see any panels.

The thing with Bobby/Iceman is a little different--it was done by his main writer at the time, in a high profile series.  And also, even after all these years, Bobby was sort of a blank slate, especially romantically.  I think he's had two girlfriends in that time and I can't recall seeing him even kiss them.  (However, in the movies--where most people know him from now--he DID have a high profile romance with Rogue, didn't he?  And something with Kitty too.)


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No change counts as long as subsequent writers just ignore it. Just forget about it and job's a good un
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Posted: 11 January 2019 at 7:46am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

No change counts as long as subsequent writers just ignore it. Just forget about it and job's a good un

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One writer I know has often said it doesn't matter what we do, "they can always change it."

Unfortunately, that's an attitude of a bygone era. Today, with anal fanboys controlling so much of the product, at production and consumption levels, things tend to get carved in stone that really shouldn't. (Ask Barbara Gordon. Ask Scott Summers.)

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Adam Schulman
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Well, Barbara Gordon has been back as Batgirl since 2011, though it's still canonical that she got shot. (She got better via some sort of super-tech.)

With Scott...yeah I don't know what can be done to fix him. At least he's not dead anymore (death and life really are a revolving door for X-Men characters, more than any other superheroes I can think of).
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Posted: 12 January 2019 at 10:33pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Yeah, I'm finding the only way I can "enjoy the ride" for any Big Two book nowadays is to think of the new series as adaptations of the "true Marvel" rather than continuations.

As one of the guys at my LCS says "Marvel just needs to acknowledge that they've basically done a New 52."
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