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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 9:27am | IP Logged | 1
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I was tinkering around in Strata this morning, trying--and not for the first time--to build a usable model of one of Dave Cockrum's Shi'ar "bug ships", and seeking reference online I came upon this:Ah, time it was, and what a time it was. When the Marvel "universe" was still thought of as a single coherent piece, and different writers and editors would not use their books to undercut what was happening elsewhere. Chris and Dave here using Galactus to show how formidable the Earth is in the cosmic scheme of things is a far cry from Galactus-as-punching-bag, merely a foil for showing how tough the writer's characters are.
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Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 2
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"Hard About!" Perfect. That's the reaction a Galactus survivor should get!
So glad I'm not reading his diminished version.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 10:21am | IP Logged | 3
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One of the things with which I have grown increasingly annoyed, over the years, is writers using other books' characters to puff up their own. I was shocked, for instance, when I was assigned to WONDER WOMAN, that one of the first things I had to do was practically go to war to prevent the writer of another title having his character "deflower" Diana. If that was going to happen, I said, it was going to happen in her own book. And it WASN'T going to happen.(The editor told me that something he had to put up with almost every month was some writer or other coming into his office with a plot pitch that began "So Wonder Woman gets raped. . . " Again and again this came up! The editor's response eventually became "Would you do this story with Superman or Batman?" Of course, the answer was "NO!!") Too many times over the years I have seen writers tear down other people's stories, using their own, unrelated books as platforms. "I don't like that story, so I will undo it!"
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 11:04am | IP Logged | 4
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I never saw those panels before. Very interesting.
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Doug Centers Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 11:26am | IP Logged | 5
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The lack of respect shown by some to those who came before, including the actual sources, is truly incredible. Basically telling those creators "your stuff is garbage".
Do they not realize that what comes around, goes around? And soon your stories will be the ones trampled upon by the next unrespectful lot.
All about making a name for yourself I guess.
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Joe S. Walker Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 11:36am | IP Logged | 6
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(The editor told me that something he had to put up with almost every month was some writer or other coming into his office with a plot pitch that began "So Wonder Woman gets raped. . . " Again and again this came up! The editor's response eventually became "Would you do this story with Superman or Batman?" Of course, the answer was "NO!!")
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I suspect there are writers now who'd say "Okay!"
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Peter Martin Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 1:22pm | IP Logged | 7
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Would you do this story with Superman or Batman?" Of course, the answer was "NO!!")
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I suspect there are writers now who'd say "Okay!"
---------------------------------------- No, the okay got given when the pitch was 'So we reveal that Batman pissed himself in Batman Year One when one of his explosives went off.'
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John Byrne
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 1:24pm | IP Logged | 8
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Oh, come now! There’s many a modern writer who would leap to re-enact portions of PULP FICTION with Batman at center stage.
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Jim Petersman Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 1:41pm | IP Logged | 9
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Side note - in my teens I hated Dave's art (just as I hated Kirby's). Now when I see it (and Kirby's) I can't imagine what I was ever thinking! This stuff is GREAT!
Of course, I also look back on some of the art that I loved during those times and wonder the same thing...just in the opposite direction!
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | 10
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Of course, I also look back on some of the art that I loved during those times and wonder the same thing...just in the opposite direction!
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Yeah the image guys had me going for a period of time
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Richard Stevens Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 5:26pm | IP Logged | 11
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Those ships are so weird and cool.
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Thomas Woods Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 09 February 2019 at 6:14pm | IP Logged | 12
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So I guess it would take a blockbuster movie to use these scenes before we could get blueprint/cutouts of the decks.
They did some pretty cool details of Marvel equipment in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe ... wish they had done some, or more ships.
Edited by Thomas Woods on 09 February 2019 at 6:15pm
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