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John Byrne
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Posted: 15 March 2019 at 2:05pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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Can someone tell me why the President even has this power? This is not “checks and balances.” This is an elected king.

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Doug Centers
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Supposedly to prevent the legislative branch from becoming too powerful. Instead it affords the executive branch the final hammer on any bill that comes before him.
Two thirds is a hefty majority to turn over a VETO!
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Elected king, like I said.
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Steven Myers
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My understanding is that when congress passed the law allowing emergency declarations, they specifically made sure congress could vote them down. Then the courts decided the President could veto the vote...
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Thomas Woods
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I like the veto in most cases. Since the president is so
short term and the closest thing representing the people
who voted for him. If he is working for his voters, most
likely the veto will go the way the voters want.

Having these people who have been in the system forever
having more power is scary.
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Peter Martin
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Having these people who have been in the system forever 
having more power is scary.
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So the founding fathers got it wrong?
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Ray Brady
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"So the founding fathers got it wrong?"

On many points. That happens from time to time with human beings.
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Brian Floyd
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Can they tie building the wall up in good old bureaucratic red tape until he's no longer in office, then somehow shut it down?


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Peter Martin
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So the founding fathers got it wrong?"

On many points. That happens from time to time with human beings
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To clarify, this was a question specific to the point in hand: so they got it wrong in wanting checks and balances on the power of the President? Things are better off with the President holding most of the power and it is not necessary to safeguard against the infirmities of the best as well as the wickedness of the worst of men?
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I like the veto in most cases. Since the president is so short term and the closest thing representing the people who voted for him. If he is working for his voters, most likely the veto will go the way the voters want.

Having these people who have been in the system forever having more power is scary.

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That’s the kind of paranoia that put Trump in the White House.

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Matt Reed
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Posted: 16 March 2019 at 12:59am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Considering Trump lost the popular vote by a WIDE margin, it's incredibly scary that someone who doesn't represent the will of the majority of the people can suddenly be said to represent all of us.  
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Greg McPhee
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Thomas, surely you can see how destructive Trump is?

He is determined to undermine the principles and foundations of America. He is a despicable a day vile person.
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