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David Allen Perrin
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Posted: 03 May 2019 at 3:31am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Reek ‘died’ long before Theon did.

His redemption arc was quite satisfying to me.  

“What Is Dead May Never Die.”
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Brian Miller
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I was ready for him to be dead years ago. What he did to the Stark family was unforgivable. 
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Unforgivable?

The Starks didn’t seem to think so.....
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The Theon to Reek to Theon arc is an acting dream. Roles like that are so rarely written that audience viewpoints tend to differ in the extreme. The life of that character was a roller coaster for any viewer and I don't begrudge anyone's opinion. I think that character is a great achievement and would point out that nobody seems to think that the character was implausible. People just differ on how they view the redemption.
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Game of Thrones is all about taking seemingly unredeemable characters and giving them redemption. Jaime pushed Bran out of the window and crippled him in the first episode and other than being more honorable than most of Lannisters was basically a villain in the first season. Yet the season where he lost his hand and befriended Brienne he redeemed himself and became a genuinely good character. Same with Theon for many of us. I absolutely hated him when he betrayed the Starks, even though he didn't have much choice since he was basically cowardly and his father cowed him into it. But the whole Reek story line when he got turned into a pitiful creature by Ramsay made you feel sorry for him and then later when he helped rescue Sansa and then later rescued his sister, it chugged at the old heart strings. And then at the end he dies defending Bran. That's a great freaking story arc. 
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Jaime didn’t grow up with the Starks. Theon did. He was a brother to them in all but blood. You don’t betray family.  
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Unless your family is bad, of course. 
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Theon seemed to get wrapped up in what everyone else thought of him. When he turned on the Starks, it was to please his father, yet, as I recall, when he first saw the bodies he believed to be that of Bran and his brother, Theon had this look on his face that made it clear to me that he wasn't exactly happy with the outcome. He made horrible choices and did horrible things, but I think a lot of what he did was because of his confusion as to whom he really was

I think Theon was more redeemable than Jaimie, who seems to get a pass on attempted and intentional child murder, and other horrible acts, because he was nice to Brienne and because of his looks.
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I think Theon was more redeemable than Jaimie, who seems to get a pass on attempted and intentional child murder, and other horrible acts, because he was nice to Brienne and because of his looks.

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I think it's more than that. Hearing the whole story about his murder of Aerys Targaryen recontextualized him a lot. He saved the entire city from going up in wildfire, and for that, he was rewarded by everyone looking down on him as the Kingslayer. You understand why he embraced being a callous asshole, because that's what everyone expected of him. Having Tywin for a father was no help either.

He tried to kill Bran and was a dick about it, but it's also true that if Robert found out about the affair, he'd probably have Cersei killed. He was trying to protect his lover and his sister. The same goes for his attack on Ned Stark.

In addition to Brienne, his relationship with Tyrion shows that he can be a caring person.


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Good points,  Michael. 
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I enjoyed the darkness, I think it helped to show the horror of what such a
battle would really be like.
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I'm in the "It was hugely disappointing" camp.  This battle should have been better than "Blackwater" but it failed in almost every way.  It is not entertaining to try to decipher what is going on when you are a TV viewer straining at a 4K image of murk.  That Variety article posted above was a ridiculous doubling down on a poor choice.

I'm convinced the Arya stuff was created solely to sell t-shirts.  (There are hundreds of different ones in ad-streams on social media as I type this that offer variants on flying Arya, Not Today, etc).  Even the show version of the story has plenty of prophecies, and the rationalizations that I've heard, such as all of those prophecies were seeded 1000s of years ago as a bluff to make the Night's King relax his guard, are ridiculous.

Unlike Blackwater, nothing in The Long Night (including the title) makes any sense.  Things that are done for dramatic effect (example, Arya's blood drip being louder than her moving around?) or ludicrous battle tactics and action that exists only to thin out the troops for the inevitable confrontation with the drunk woman who apparently is the big boss of this TV series.  

Arya loses her ninja abilities when she gets a head bump, and spends 20 minutes sneaking around the library at Winterfell, which apparently survived the castle being burnt TWICE.  She gets her powers back after a pep talk from Melisandre whose conversation about eyes is a FAKE callback because the earlier eyes conversation was all about Arya's "list" and nothing else. 

Even fanfic makes more sense at this point. 
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