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Larry Gil
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Posted: 06 June 2019 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I think it would be a perfect time for a hardcover Art of John Byrne book.
 IDW did a great job on the Jim Starlin Hardcover.
Maybe a Vol1 & 2 with this series in it if at all possible.
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Well, the amount of time some people have for pointing at motes in the eyes of others is in inverse proportion to the time they could spend making something new, and hopefully positive, of their own! I would feel more positive if twitter and facebook were more venues for someone creating rather than re-hashing someone else's life or living by proxy.

Here is a guy (JB, Mr. Byrne) who creates high quality cool stuff, so even if he does say something that might seem a little off, if he did, I would cut him some slack... but someone who does nothing but pick through old conversations of people they don't really know and snip and cut and paste and 'recreate'? What is that but a self-appointed nothing. I'm already capable of being a nothing fine all on my own thanks. :^)

If I ever peed on anyone's creative barbecue that is something I will try to make up for the rest of my life! Don't be trying to fan flames because you might just be blowing them out. :^(
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 Andrew Cate wrote:
What I find interesting is how Bleeding Cool can create an article from a quote they took from from John Byrne Says that took a question that I asked here on the forum.

It's Rich.  That's what he does.  Longtime members of the forum remember Rich for what he was.  Nuff Said.  
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Posted: 07 June 2019 at 10:42am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Just glad to know JB is sharing his story/art with us here... never really believed Marvel would make a deal JB would be comfortable with.

-C!
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JB's generosity with his process and sneak peeks during the creation of Elsewhen cannot be denied, but I would gladly pay a premium to access his personal projects and sketches via a website like Patreon. It is hard to believe someone could be deluded enough to invent a "bad" story from everything that transpired over the last year. We are almost a year to the day of JB's first post showing page 1. It's been a fun year watching this unfold no matter how you slice it, but I guess some people with an ax to grind will find fault no matter what transpires. Time to shrug the pretender sites off and get ready for a retro comic celebration.
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Eric L., while I agree with a fellow Eric about getting access to Mr. Byrne's projects, sketches, opinions, etc. - why would you think we're not getting such here? I mean, he's obviously not giving away product that is for sale, so he didn't print every bit of, say, his Star Trek work.

But he did give us discussions, highlights, models, etc. He's outstandingly open. He's almost embarrassingly available with his work. I agree with your intent... but I think we get his good stuff anyhow.

As for Big Bad Byrne stories... pygmies can stretch as much as they want, and raise as much ruckus as they wish... but they'll never be giants, no matter how much they want it.
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Deconstruction and critiquing of entertainment media has been taken to absurd levels. Fans are far too quick now to not only be curious about, but actually demand, the most intricate and abstruse details on and from creators and their works. Peeking behind the veil has become full-on voyeurism. As a result, the creator-fan relationship can often become very abusive in both directions.

In my opinion, those of us who aren't in the business should take a step back and enjoy the work for what it is, indulging in the intended illusion, rather than going to the nth degree to break it down. That way lies madness.
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Posted: 08 June 2019 at 7:53am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I find that Marvel is letting escape a big oportunity with no publishing Elsewhen and it's a real big loss for lots of readers.

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Brennan Voboril
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This John Byrne Says character should be forced to post under his real name, that would end his "activities" fast.
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Eric L., while I agree with a fellow Eric about getting access to Mr. Byrne's projects, sketches, opinions, etc. - why would you think we're not getting such here? I mean, he's obviously not giving away product that is for sale, so he didn't print every bit of, say, his Star Trek work.

But he did give us discussions, highlights, models, etc. He's outstandingly open. He's almost embarrassingly available with his work. I agree with your intent... but I think we get his good stuff anyhow.

•••

There is an Internet myth that the JBF is some kind of gulag, where my most rabid fans band together against anyone who dares express a dissenting opinion, and where legions of otherwise innocent souls have been banned “just” for disagreeing with me.

So, rather than consider the truth maybe, possibly being something else, there are people who will eagerly gobble up the lies and unfounded rumors served by other sites.

And as we see, this includes presenting baseless speculation as fact.

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 Eric Sofer wrote:
why would you think we're not getting such here?

Eric, I'm saying we get extraordinary access here at the JBF and John has been extremely generous. What I meant was that JB has been so generous in the last year that I would be willing to pay for what he routinely shared as I see done on Patreon. In the last year we have sat ringside to one hell of a development process. It's been very cool and it's hard to believe some people can find fault in it unless they have an ax to grind, but JB brings up a point I had not considered.
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So I’m being faulted for NOT charging for this?

That’s some fuctup thinking.

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There is an Internet myth that the JBF is some kind of gulag, where my most rabid fans band together against anyone who dares express a dissenting opinion, and where legions of otherwise innocent souls have been banned “just” for disagreeing with me.

So, rather than consider the truth maybe, possibly being something else, there are people who will eagerly gobble up the lies and unfounded rumors served by other sites.

And as we see, this includes presenting baseless speculation as fact.

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JB, maybe you should star a thread with the title "Feel Free To Disagree With Me" or "The Official Disagree With John Byrne" thread as a social experiment to see how your haters and critics would react.





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Posted: 08 June 2019 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | 15 post reply

Or those haters could just man up and post disagreements in regular threads here, but respectfully and logically. In the past, I've disagreed with JB over everything from atheism to the fact that I prefer his older art style (e.g. see my post at the bottom of this page). I was respectful, he was open and honest, and while we may still disagree, I didn't run off crying about JB being mean to me, vowing vengeance.



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Bloody Australians.....
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I'm not faulting you for anything, JB. I'm saying you gave everyone access to an artistic process that others would charge for and in the face of that generosity some people still find the need to deride.
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The gulag is but a small corner here, but from it no one escapes :)

The amazing thing is that the forum is an open, true and honest place where we enter discourse under the spotlights of our real names, taking responsibility for what we say... and generally we seem to be the better for it.

There are those, however, for which that is not comfortable. And they therefore run to darkened corners of the internet and mutter about that which they have seen and heard beneath the bright lights.


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Bloody Australians....


Uh oh... I can see the local news headlines tomorrow:

Dark Phoenix Creator Insults Australia
Calls for movie boycott as John Byrne lets loose tirade against nation

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Be careful Australia. Remember what he did to the
Asparagus people.
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Also remember what he did to Tarnak IV, the Skrull Throneworld!
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The amazing thing is that the forum is an open, true and honest place where we enter discourse under the spotlights of our real names, taking responsibility for what we say... and generally we seem to be the better for it.

There are those, however, for which that is not comfortable. And they therefore run to darkened corners of the internet and mutter about that which they have seen and heard beneath the bright lights.

•••

When I was originally establishing a presence online I was amused by the ability to create whimsical pseudonyms. Some may recall that for a (very) short time I frequented AOL chat rooms as “JON 2000”.

But I quickly saw the basic problem. Screen names allowed people to create “secret identities”, and for some—many—that rapidly transformed them into Crusaders, fighting the Good Fight again whatever ills they perceived—even if they were strictly in their own minds.

For all I know, half the names on the JBF are fake, but our Real Names Only rule at least forces even imposters to behave themselves, and for those who don’t, the Mods and I have a handy NUKE option.

(One of the odder things I’ve seen online is people bragging about posting here “for years” under false names and “fooling everyone”. As if a fake name is some kind of brilliant disguise. The point seems to be missed that having survived so long means they, too, must be behaving themselves!)

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Tangent: When I was board administrator for the Captain Comics board (a fine endeavor), I insisted that members use their real  names. I just feel that if someone has a mask to hide behind, and that mask is the only representation that others get, they gain the power of anonymity to make outrageous and unreasonable statements.

I had, and have, no problem with folks posting their opinions - but with their own names, so that they can feel accountable. That cuts down on some of the trash pretty quickly. (And no, I don't mean pistachio ice cream.)
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I’ve pointed out from time to time that the reason I sometimes get “in trouble” is that I always use my real name when posting opinions.
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That Twitter feed is helmed by someone who is filled with a lot of anger and resentment.  The cover image is a horrible caricature mocking JB and the comments are a stream of cruel abuse.  I think there is something really off about someone who attacks an artist on such a personal level to begin with, but that's part of art and certainly a part of social media.  But to do so ON A DAILY BASIS is clearly a psychologically damaged person.  He treats JB as if he is a corporation or a political official, holding him to an imaginary standard he created as a child and is unwilling to let go.  

He's holding JB accountable for.. what?  Why?  He seems to want to hurt JB the way JB has hurt him, but what on earth does he imagine has been done to him?  What deserves daily abuse?

Not only are JB's comments taken out of context, but he even speculates how JB will react in situations.  He takes offhand comments from JB's personal life and drags them through the mud.  It's cruel harassment that is well beyond what someone would do if they were using their real name.  He's weirdly proud of getting followers - claiming some kind of credit for the way he exploits JB's work through his twisted perspective.

Celebrity is an odd beast, and it brings out some weird behavior. This evokes the darkest part of the internet - he gets intensely personal and cruel.  When I read his feed, I am reminded of the troll from this piece from "This American Life," an extraordinary segment from writer Lindy West.  It's a segment called "Ask Not for Whom the Bell Trolls, It Trolls for Thee" - subject and language are a bit harsh, so not for all ears:




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