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Christopher Frost
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Posted: 20 May 2019 at 5:46am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The guy has also mentioned that he was booted from this forum so that is likely a contributing factor to his desire to "expose the truth" about things. He practically stated that JB was lying about including Kirby on the original cover art to #236 and everything he's posting seems to be trying to support his position that JB & crew have been nothing but dishonest about the genesis of DOFP, Dark Phoenix, etc.  

Seems like sour grapes to me.
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So, let’s just say JB or Claremont have gotten details wrong about production of certain events or issues. It has been 40+ years after all. Even saying that’s possible, who the fuck cares?!? It’s comic books that were put out 40 years ago. It’s not like fucking Watergate or some deep state Illuminati conspiracy. It’s fucking plots for comic books for Chrissakes. This guy, in the worst of ways, needs to get a fucking life. Jesus Christ. 
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One question he raised I always did wonder about - why didn't JB and Austin draw Annual #4? 
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One question he raised I always did wonder about - why didn't JB and Austin draw Annual #4?

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The simplest reason of all: deadlines. I couldn't fit the book into my schedule.

(As I have noted before, one of my jobs on UNCANNY seemed to be keeping Chris on track, remembering that this was primarily a book about MUTANTS. The annuals demonstrate what happened when I wasn't there.)

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Ferran Delgado blocked me because I contradicted one of his posts with a direct quote from JB the other day.

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I thought I was the only one who did that!!

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He’s trying to prove that JB has been wrong in his claims that DOFP was always a two issue story. And......

Well. That’s it.

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I'll be the first to admit my memory gets a bit fuzzy, the further things become displaced in time. But, as noted repeatedly (and not until now disputed) "Days of Future Past" was MY story. My (in)famous response to Chris' declaration that "Sentinels are lame." Chris' contribution was the assassination of Senator Kelly being the catalyst for what followed.*

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* That, and f**king up my story with the "incestuous lesbian kiss".

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More...

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DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, THE GN--THE CLIPS

Before I return to the Dark Phoenix Saga, I compiled a few clips from the end of 1979-beginning of 1980 that mention the "special project/album" (aka GN featuring 'Days of Future Past').

Among them I included Byrne discussing the new "album" format (aka GN) in the same interview he described the GN as Days of the Future Past, TCJ #57 (July, 1980).

Just remember that the 'God Love, Man Kills' GN was released at the end of 1982 and it was edited by Louise Simonson.

Chronologic order:
-----------Jim Salicrup, editor
–X-Men #137. Cover date: Sept, 1980. Released: June 17, 1980.
–DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, THE GN.
-----------Louise Simonson, editor
–X-Men Ann #4. Cover date: Nov, 1980. Released: Aug 5, 1980.
–X-Men #139. Cover date: Nov, 1980. Released: Aug 19, 1980.
–X-Men #141. Cover date: Jan, 1981. Released: Oct 21, 1980.
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–FIRST GN: DEATH OF CAPTAIN MARVEL, Released: Jan, 1982.
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–GOD LOVES, MAN KILLS GN. Released: Nov, 1982.













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Seems like he’s defeating his own argument. Would Marvel really have relegated the death of a major character to a limited edition collectors’ market book? 
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Nathan Greno
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A friend on FB told me this guy also published these conspiracies a few years ago... 






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Casey Sager
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Well, that's all the proof I need.
A Spanish fanzine produced by a guy with a grudge who's been banned from this forum.

How could that not be an accurate account?

::eyeroll::
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A friend on FB told me this guy also published these conspiracies a few years ago... 


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Yes, he's been pushing this for a while now. 

I'm sure at the time Shooter wanted to publish an X-Men GN or special and he tossed that out to the press. He also tossed out other ideas and none of them came out either. I was intrigued by an announcement that Stan Lee and Gil Kane were going to do a Silver Surfer GN but I didn't smell a conspiracy when it never happened.
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"aka GN featuring 'Days of Future Past'"

Aw crap. He brought out the big guns-- he referred to his own conspiracy
invention as "aka". That's going to leave a mark.
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Now that the guy cracked the "Death of Phoenix" conspiracy I need to set him loose on why Byrne and Austin didn't work with Don McGregor! 
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80 pages of full color, vellum stock, full-length, time travel and mind
transference with a remarkable heroine?

I'm sorry, but this is clearly another piece of the same conspiracy-- a variable
syndrome that hides the days of future truth (aka the goofball's errand).

BTW: Some special offer. You can buy it for 10$ in person or 9$ (plus 1$) to
buy it in advance!

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Another one...

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DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, THE GN--THE COVER.

Three things were done under Salicrup editorship, before the ending of #137 was changed:
–The PITCH, written by Claremont from notes of phone talk.
–The AD, drawn by Salicrup.
–The COVER, sketched by Hannigan.

How do I know about the cover? Byrne admitted in Byrnerobotics that he drew the cover from a layout by Ed Hannigan, so I asked him about it, and he told me that it was true, and that SALICRUP asked him to use the WINGS cover as reference. He's at Facebook, he'll confirm it.

Sure, there're plenty of covers with a similar shot since the 40s, but Hannigan only got asked ONE reference: the Wings cover. Then add the Nixon poster from 1974 and you get an iconic image. Imho, in spite that Salicrup and Hannigan designed the image, the magic came from Byrne and Austin.

Chronologic order:
-----------Jim Salicrup, editor:
X-Men #137. Cover date: Sept, 1980. Released: June 17, 1980.
DAYS OF FUTURE PAST GN.
-----------Louise Simonson, editor:
X-Men Ann #4. Cover date: Nov, 1980. Released: Aug 5, 1980.
X-Men #139. Cover date: Nov, 1980. Released: Aug 19, 1980.
X-Men #141. Cover date: Jan, 1981. Released: Oct 21, 1980.





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With this post, he promises the "shocking revelations will come in the near future"...!!!

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X-MEN #133 ORIGINAL PLOT--SUTHERLAND, WELLS.

I keep diving on the original plots, which is fascinating because you can discover references you didn't know, like that the Cyclops' mask was based on the one Ditko drew in Strange Tales #142 and 143. 

It's also interesting to see how Claremont sometimes suggests visual approaches like the 'cuffs from Marvel Team-Up #54.

Remember, Claremont typed the plots of 133-134 and 135 in a single day SIX MONTHS in advance from the publication date of #133, so there were many details still to be solved. Like the names of Pierce and Leland, that's why Claremont calls them like the actors used as reference, Donald Sutherland and Orson Welles. 

Notice how Byrne ignored the proposal of Storm's head-dress lying on a table, because in that long shot it would be hard to notice it. Sometimes the writer asks for things not feasible. Instead of that, Byrne added on his own the sequence with Ororo slave not included in the plot, so Jean shows clearly the head-dress in her hand and says that she won't able to use her lock-pits.

Sure, this is not shocking but interesting, and establish that the plots are the real thing. I'm diving chronologically so the shocking revelations will come in the near future.
  





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