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Eric Ladd Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 7:14am | IP Logged | 1
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I too am no lawyer, but my guess is there would have to be a police report filed long ago indicating the property was stolen.
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Andrew Cate Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 February 2019 Location: United States Posts: 158
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 8:23am | IP Logged | 2
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JB
Just so you know....if you ever decided to give me a gift like this.....I would never part with it.
Your very close friend and admirer from Kansas City.
Edited by Andrew Cate on 16 May 2019 at 1:55pm
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David Miller Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:13am | IP Logged | 3
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I thought this was interesting. Recovery standards and practices have advanced more than I thought, although conscience still seems to be a primary motivator of art returns. The guidelines extend well beyond WWII.
ArtLaw wrote:
International Foundation for Art Research (IFAR) Issues New Provenance Guide
In the wake of more WWII/Nazi era stolen art legal battles, the International Foundation for Art Research (IFAR) has issued a new Provenance Guide, which highlights the importance of archival research, and states that provenance research is “a must” for all art purchasers. The Provenance Guide includes links to numerous archival websites and databases (including the Getty Research Institute), which will aid in provenance due diligence. IFAR states that provenance litigation demonstrate that “all available archival materials must be consulted . . . ” because among other things, “documentary evidence may be open to interpretation.” |
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Gary Asuncion Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:28am | IP Logged | 4
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I've never bought from a dealer/reseller - is it normal practice to document/establish a chain of ownership? I'm curious to see how it is being done today.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:56am | IP Logged | 5
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A few decades ago I was at MidOhioCon with Walt Simonson when he discovered a stolen piece of his art was being displayed for sale in one of the booths. He asked me to go with him to confirm the piece was his. This I did. The sellers response was basically “So what?” He’d bought the piece, he said, in good faith, from someone who had done likewise. End of discussion, as far as he was concerned. And nothing Walter could do about it.
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Jason K Fulton Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 23 September 2016 Location: United States Posts: 682
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 1:41pm | IP Logged | 6
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Sold for $21,600.00 this afternoon. That's fucking nuts.
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Steve Adelson Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 24 May 2009 Location: United States Posts: 1204
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 1:46pm | IP Logged | 7
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It's a cool item, but yikes!
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Jason K Fulton Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 1:50pm | IP Logged | 8
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The double page splash from Uncanny #137 sold for $204,000.00 (had previously sold in 2015 for $167,000.00).
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Andrew Cate Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 25 February 2019 Location: United States Posts: 158
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 1:57pm | IP Logged | 9
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The Frazetta Egyptian Queen did not move today for the low entry bid of $4,500,000.
Edited by Andrew Cate on 16 May 2019 at 1:57pm
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Joe Murray Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 1:57pm | IP Logged | 10
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You said it, Jason, that's crazy!
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Brad Wilders Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 2:21pm | IP Logged | 11
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Ordinarily, even a "good faith" purchaser only receives the same title to a good that the seller has, which, in the case of a stolen good is no title at all. If the piece was stolen, the owner may very well still have title to it and can recover it from Heritage. If Heritage refuses to return it, she can sue for its return or sue the subsequent buyer.
All of the facts would need to be examined and the law of the jurisdiction at issue evaluated for variances from this ordinary rule. If she is interested in pursuing, she should contact Heritage immediately to let them know of the claim.
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John Byrne
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 3:04pm | IP Logged | 12
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Sold for $21,600.00 this afternoon. That's fucking nuts.••• Totally agree.
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