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Rick Whiting
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The Kree were used to explain the Savage Land, which annoyed the bleep out of me. Does EVERYTHING have to be touching?
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Sadly, this seems to be SOP these days for most creators and editors working for the Big 2.
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James Woodcock
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Because, people think it is cooler if everything touches - they either think it shows how planned out the original stuff was, or, they think it shows how clever they were at being able to take what is known now & ‘if only we knew this at the beginning, look at what it could have been’
Without realising this makes the universe smaller.
Epitome of this would be the Image reboot of Marvel & the Ultimate Universe.
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Is Marvel ever going to abandon the "evolutionary dead end" angle? There is no such thing as a species that stops evolving. Evolutionary dead end means a species didn't adapt to survive a change in the environment.
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Ted Pugliese
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"Evolutionary dead end means a species didn't adapt to
survive a change in the environment."
Steven, I would suspect that this is not the case. To
me, evolutionary dead end would suggest the the Kree
genome has 'evolved' past the point of mutation which
of course provides the genetic and subsequent
phenotypic variation that is subsequently selected
'naturally' by a variety of factors.
Species adapt because of the variation that exists in
nature. Then these variable traits are 'selected' or
deemed more fit, etc. However, mutation is the
ultimate source of this variation. Without mutation,
there is no variation, i.e. there is no change, ergo
there is no evolution.
The Kree genome must have reached its final state, an
evolutionary dead end, so to speak (no more mutants).
Interesting that two races still exist with neither
being more advantageous than the other. Apparently,
Kree superiority extends beyond blue or white
superiority, because they are equal pinnacles of Kree
evolution.
A lesson for all of us maybe.
Black, brown, red, yellow, or white, we all represent
millions of years of animal/human evolution. We have
all reached this pinnacle, which is kind of sad when
you see how people treat each other. It's like after
100 million years, is this as good as it gets?
Sadly, we have so much further to go.
Be good to each other!
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John Byrne
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There is a common misconception of Evolution as a ladder, climbing toward perfection—with humans at the top, of course. The reality is more like a tree, with branches upon branches, and since Evolution has no “goal” it usually ends with function, not perfection. In this context a “dead end” would be function that doesn’t really do the best job, but does it just well enough to prevent (or at least impede) further evolutionary development.
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Steven Myers
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As long as a species is capable of reproducing, this will cause variance, and therefore, evolution. You could say some species looks to be at a dead end because it doesn't appear to be able to adapt to survive, but there's no way of knowing until they become extinct. Variation and even mutation don't appear to ever stop. Change is the only constant.
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David Miller
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Was that the same crystal that allowed Wolverine to regenerate from a single drop of blood? I think I still was in elementary school when I read that, and even then I thought that was silly.
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Ted Pugliese
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John is correct just above, in fact we briefly
discussed this last time I saw him; every living
vertebrate from you and me to the fish you catch are
the pinnacle of 100 million years of evolution.
We classify ourselves 'higher' than fish, amphibians,
and reptiles, because birds and mammals appeared
later, but 100 million years still leads to all five
branches. Understand the nuance and you can easily
see both sides of it.
However, despite my over simplification pointing to a
comic book hypothesis about the Kree, there is much
more to it than reproduction, Steven.
There is not a lot of variation that results from
reproduction. Crossing over simply shuffles genes,
and reproduction brings the pairs back together.
Mutation is the source of variation. We know this.
Darwin didn't. He knew variation existed in nature,
but he wasn't quite so sure where it came from,
because he wasn't aware of the molecular basis of
heredity. Even Mendel, who figured out the
operational mechanism, wasn't quite so sure about his
elementae.
Again I am choosing words to briefly describe the
process.
Evolution occurs over time, but nothing really
changes, novel phenotypes appear when mutation results
in new alleles, and older ones seem to die out. Then
the old ones are gone, and we are left with the new
ones. Nothing really changed, but change occurred.
So much wrong with the classic giraffe example, but
giraffe's didn't develop longer necks. If there were
short neck giraffe's then a mutation caused a long
neck giraffe, then long neck giraffes survived and
short neck giraffes died. Now there are only long
neck giraffes. Evolution occurred, but short necks
never became long necks, so to speak.
So much over simplification here to take issue with ,
but if you know what I'm talking about, you know what
I mean.
And somehow we got back to whales, just enough
nonsense to let me keep my faith somehow.
Let's look at blood type, nice and easy. Three
alleles, four types, A, B, and O alleles produce types
A, B, AB, and O. AB are codominant and O is
recessive, so O came later. It is the result of a
mutation (or genetic experimentation by the Kree lol).
Put the alleles together during reproduction and you
can have AA, AO, AB, BB, BO, or OO. AA and AO are
type A because A is dominnt and O is recessive, BB and
BO and type B for the dame reason, AB are codominant,
and type O has to be OO because O is recessive.
See, it's not the reproduction that causes it. It's
the mutation. Without mutation, we are simply AA, BB,
or AB. Mutation causes O, mutation causes the
variation, then nature selects it.
If a million years from now, only the OOs remain, and
all the AA, AB, and ABs died, then we AS A SPECIES
evolved into OO people, but nobody ever changed.
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Ted Pugliese
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"Genetically frozen in place, never to evolve"
Means no more mutants.
No more mutants means no more evolution.
The genome is set and locked.
Is it a curse, or a gift?
Neither really.
It would just mean that what you see is what you get.
A 100,000 years from now, we would still be us.
NO one would notice or care.
Either way (because WE do not evolve).
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The ladder model results from the stacked timelines
with newer branches being stacked on top of older
branches. Moving right along the timeline into the
present and future, we tend to stack the newer
branches on top of the earlier ones, so apes split
into gorillas and chimps and humans as time go byes,
so the gorilla rises above the earlier ape, and so
rises the chimp and then the human. Later (more
recent) becomes higher, though all three are current
branches. If all the apes eventually go extinct, then
we can say that apes evolved into humans over 10
million years or so, but right now we say humans and
chimps evolved from a common ancestor that evolved
with gorillas from a common ancestor and so forth back
through time that evolved with/from, etc.
We did not evolve from apes. We and the apes are both
here. We both evolved from common ancestors.
Funny, though, how we did if we kill them all...
Nuance ;-)
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Rick Whiting
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Was that the same crystal that allowed Wolverine to regenerate from a single drop of blood? I think I still was in elementary school when I read that, and even then I thought that was silly.
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Yes, that is that same crystal and those panels were taken from that very same Uncanny X-Men Annual where Wolverine regenerated from a single drop of blood (thanks to that very same crystal). Sadly, that story has led to many fans and pros wrongly thinking that Wolverine's healing factor was actually that powerful and that he can heal from anything.
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