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Koroush Ghazi
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Posted: 04 June 2019 at 8:07pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

 Michael Roberts wrote:
I think even a large portion of the pinko Socialist libruls that are destroying America would be unbothered by the imagery that you are describing as ultra-nationalistic.


That's what scares me!

Beating the Russians was definitely the prime motivator, and understandable to a degree given the Cold War environment. But from the pile of manure that was the Cold War grew a wonderful rose: Americans went into space for all mankind, at least in words, if not in actuality, and therein was some nobility.

Different story today. Examine the differences in language between Kennedy and Pence:


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It is the stated policy of this administration and the United States of America to return American astronauts to the moon within the next five years. To be clear: the first woman and the next man on the moon will both be American astronauts, launched by American rockets from American soil.



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We set sail on this new sea because there is new knowledge to be gained, and new rights to be won, and they must be won and used for the progress of all people... and only if the United States occupies a position of pre-eminence can we help decide whether this new ocean will be a sea of peace or a new terrifying theater of war. I do not say that we should or will go unprotected against the hostile misuse of space any more than we go unprotected against the hostile use of land or sea, but I do say that space can be explored and mastered without feeding the fires of war, without repeating the mistakes that man has made in extending his writ around this globe of ours.


Similarly, compare and contrast the '60s space-based TV show Star Trek with this 21st century show. Star Trek was primarily about exploration, peace and harmony; this show ostensibly is about... well, I think we know what it's about.

Anyway, I'm sure I've said enough. Hope I'm proven wrong. Hope Ron Moore and co have the balls to tell a unique story with what they've got rather than taking a page out of Leni Riefenstahl's book.
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Posted: 04 June 2019 at 8:38pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Koroush>>Hope Ron Moore and co have the balls to tell a unique story with what they've got rather than taking a page out of Leni Riefenstahl's book.<<

Wow.  I think you are enormously over-reacting.  If Apple TV and Ron Moore made jingoistic propaganda of any kind, I would be beyond shocked.  

If you make an "alternate history" story set in the late 60's early 70's, to suggest any *other* reaction by the general public than what was shown in the trailer would be bizarre.  Remember, this is pre-Watergate and barely 25 years post-WW2 and in the heat of the Cold War.  The US government were the default good guys.
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Moviemakers have never been shy about bending history to fit THEIR story. Consider the recent CSA, which postulated a Confederate CONQUEST of the Union states--not what what war was about at all.
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Posted: 05 June 2019 at 8:18pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

 Conrad Teeves wrote:
If you make an "alternate history" story set in the late 60's early 70's, to suggest any *other* reaction by the general public than what was shown in the trailer would be bizarre.


To be clear: I wasn't suggesting anything about the general public's reaction back in the 1960s, I was referring to the fact that the trailer seems to appeal to current ultra-nationalism in its overall theme and aesthetic. As I said, it could be done as deliberate irony, but we'll see.
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I was referring to the fact that the trailer seems to appeal to current ultra-nationalism in its overall theme and aesthetic. As I said, it could be done as deliberate irony, but we'll see.

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Well, sure. But I think those themes would appeal to Americans in general. I think for a majority of the US political spectrum, patriotism is still considered a virtue and American exceptionalism an ideal. Where Americans differ is how tied those ideas are to isolationism and xenophobia.

I get why non-Americans would think it's weird, but there's nothing there that seems alarming from an American perspective.
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