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Koroush Ghazi
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Nathan Greno wrote:
| JB’s style also changed a lot between issues 216 and 279. Just pointing out there’s more going on here than an inker’s line... |
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Definitely, but taking that into account, I personally like Al Gordon's line weight and embellishments the least, and prefer (both now and back in the day) Byrne on Byrne, or the Austin on Byrne lines. Inking aside, in terms of the style of Reed's face, the issue #279 version is the one I prefer. But this is entirely my subjective know-nothing taste, and not a technical critique.
It should also be noted that, totally independent of the inking, and unlike a lot of artists we could name, none of the Byrne faces has a generic look - the angle, the expression, hairstyle, etc. are different in each one of them. You could probably build a consistent 3D model of each character if you composited the various images of him/her from an issue.
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Shane Matlock
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The Byrne inks are my favorite but I enjoy all those other inkers over JB too.
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Michael Penn
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Looking over issue 279, I see that Al Gordon's inks, beyond that one depiction of Reed Richards, are much more faithful to JB's style. If somebody had asked me who the artist was based on that one panel, though, I would not have guessed John Byrne. That approach to inking is not what I personally prefer.
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John Byrne
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I think I was going thru my "French" period when Al inked my pencils. Playing around with a different kind of line, based on what I'd seen in some graphic novels from France and the rest of Europe.
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Jean Byrne, artiste!
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John Byrne
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…artiste…•• Reminding me of a very rude joke from my Art College days. . .
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Vinny Valenti
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"JB’s style also changed a lot between issues 216 and 279. Just pointing out there’s more going on here than an inker’s line..."
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This is true. I wish they had used a panel of Reed from the FF Annual done with Sinnott. That was done during the same time period as the later FF issues.
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Just look at the two Annuals, FF and AVENGERS, that had some of the same pages but inked by two different inkers, Sinnott and Kyle Baker, to see the differences an inker can bring.
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Jonathan A. Dowdell
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Seeing these "Reed heads" (and the timeline) brings to mind a question for Mr. Byrne that I have had over the years.
Beginning with 232, Reed's face had a slightly thinner, more unique style then your earlier illustrations and in your later issues. Do you remember if that was a conscious decision to tweak Reed's look or just how you approached drawing him at the time.
Thank you!
Edited by Jonathan A. Dowdell on 26 June 2019 at 1:51pm
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John Byrne
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Slightly thinner? That’s kind of you!But to answer your question, back in the early days of my FF reading there was a single panel in which Stan referred to Reed as “lean”. For some reason my OCD locked onto this, and as Jack bulked him up, I began plotting—subconsciously—to restore Reed if I ever had the chance. Being me, of course I went too far!
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Peter Martin
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I kind of liked the wiry Reed, as it differentiated him from the typical superhero physique, and it also seemed to dove-tail with him being a good few years beyond his physical prime.
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Thank you for the answer. It is something I have wondered when reading and rereading those issues.
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