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John Byrne
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I loved the Sword of the Atom…•• Hm. Take a character with a unique skill set and drop him into an environment where everyone is like him.
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Brian Miller
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Drawn by Gil Kane!
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John Byrne
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Bad idea well drawn. (If it was really Gil.)
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Brian Miller
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IIRC, I’ve read interviews with him in which he said he plotted and drew it.
Did he have assistants drawing stuff for him at this point?
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Mike Norris
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Liberal loud mouth Oliver Queen is a change that worked for me.
JB's (and Wolfman's) changes to Superman were good.
Liked what George Perez did to Wonder Woman, I just wish it had taken a Man of Steel approach for he origin to maintain Diana's founder status in the JLA.
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Wallace Sellars
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Ditto.
Streamlining Iron Man's clunky armor was a good move, too.
I also think taking Susan Richards from Invisible Girl to Invisible Woman works just fine.
I enjoyed those Peter Parker/Spider-Man college stories, but think he should have remained an eternal high school student. The same goes for the original Teen Titans. I have never been a fan of Nightwing, and aging all of those kids means everyone else is older, too.
I don't hate the furry Beast, but prefer Hank's early look.
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Mike Norris
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I really liked Perez's take on the furry Beast. To my mind that's the way the Beast should look.
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Dave Phelps
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With questions like these, I've come to think that when answering you should also clarify your perspective:
Did the change occur before you started reading? I'm good with the Haney/Adams/O'Neil Green Arrow revamp, the original furry Beast and the Vision/Scarlet Witch marriage, but that's how I met them in the first place so those weren't really changes for me.
Did the change occur during your "formative" years (i.e. before you had a solid grasp on how a character "should be" handled; maybe 5 years in)? I'm very much opposed to the return of Bucky (and even Sharon Carter) over in Captain America now, but if, say, JM DeMatteis had opted to use original Bucky instead of 50s Bucky as Nomad back in 1983, I doubt it would have registered. I was fine with Claremont's attempt to redeem Magneto, but mainly because the first stories I read with him were during his "mellowing out" phase (Vision/Scarlet Witch #4, X-Men - God Loves, Man Kills).
How did you feel about the character before the change? I really liked JB's Man of Steel, but at the time the Julius Schwartz version of Superman wasn't really my thing. Too powerful, they kept feeling like they needed to find a reason for him to have a secret id, etc.
But here's a list of changes I liked. Most occured within or fairly close to my "formative years" (1981-1986), although some came after. In all cases I would have been perfectly content if they hadn't made the changes but in the long run I'm glad they did:
* Sue Richards starts calling herself the Invisible Woman
* the "reverse" Fantastic Four uniforms
* Thor no longer able to become Don Blake and grows a beard
* Peter Parker marries Mary Jane
* Kingpin finds out Daredevil's secret id (Foggy, too, for that matter)
* Dick Grayson becomes Nightwing
* Barbara Gordon becomes Oracle (the Ostrander/Yale origin story severely reduced my enthusiasm for Killing Joke itself, though)
* Barry Allen sacrifices himself; Wally West takes over as Flash
* Justice Society ends up on the same Earth as the Justice League and key members serve as "elder statesmen" and mentors for the DCU
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John Byrne
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Gil Kane was using assistants long, long before SWORD OF THE ATOM.
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Dave just made an excellent point. Example - I started reading comics with JB's FF run (#243, specifically). So JB set the template that I've visually judged all of the characters against. Consequently - it took me a long time to get used to how different other artists versions of the FF looked like.
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Brian Miller
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I did not know that about Kane.
His style seems like it would be very, very hard to replicate to the point where no one could tell the difference. At least very easily.
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Dave, I think you're absolutely right about the changes being made during our "formative" years working for most people. That's when we are going through changes ourselves so the idea of change is very appealing, much more so than comics' usual illusion of change. After those years and folks become adults they are much less accepting of change, both in comics and in life. (The major changes that happened before we started reading have little affect as it's basically comic history.) I know I absolutely hated the New 52, as did many longtime comics reader, but most of us who were teenagers reading Crisis on Infinite Earths and the reboot DC did in the late 80's we had far fewer issues. (Although even as a teenager reading Crisis, I thought it was a bad idea to do away with all the alternate Earths, I still accepted it.) A big part of the New 52 reboot not working for most people is that wasn't very well done, to put it politely (as opposed to the Byrne Superman and Perez Wonder Woman, both of which are still considered some of their respective characters finest runs), but even if the comics done for the New 52 had been more well done, they would have been mostly disliked by an aging comics audience.I know Bucky being brought back split older readers and it was very well written and drawn.
Edited by Shane Matlock on 28 June 2019 at 3:54pm
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