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Peter Martin
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yes, as mentioned upthread, his name appeared in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Jasper Sitwell mentions Stephen Strange as being one of many names that are considered a threat to Hydra.

However, Kevin Feige said this was not a reference to Dr Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts, but Stephen Strange the world-renowned surgeon.

Feige said before the Dr Strange movie came out: "He has name recognition and a talent and certain Hydra computers identified him as somebody that could cause trouble for their agendas."
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History and experience are an important part of the comics' world order. It certainly won't sit right in the MCU when the Fantastic Four are the new kids on the block, coming to veterans like Spider-Man for guidance.

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My dream is to have the FF done as a 60s period piece and then rip off the Sentry’s backstory. Have them be around in the 60s and keep the Cold War space race as part of their origin. Then during a battle with Doctor Doom, Doom and the FF get erased from history. The fallout from AVENGERS ENDGAME causes them to reappear in the present.
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 Peter Martin wrote:
yes, as mentioned upthread, his name appeared in Captain America: The Winter Soldier. Jasper Sitwell mentions Stephen Strange as being one of many names that are considered a threat to Hydra.

However, Kevin Feige said this was not a reference to Dr Strange, Master of the Mystic Arts, but Stephen Strange the world-renowned surgeon.

Feige said before the Dr Strange movie came out: "He has name recognition and a talent and certain Hydra computers identified him as somebody that could cause trouble for their agendas."

That makes no sense at all. Of all the names to drop. All the potential dangers out there. A driven surgeon is important enough to mention in that context? BullSHIT!

It was a goofy reference. Trying to cover it with an explanation like that makes it worse.
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That makes no sense at all. Of all the names to drop. All the potential dangers out there. A driven surgeon is important enough to mention in that context? BullSHIT!

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A high school valedictorian in Iowa was also important to mention in that context. The point was that Zola’s algorithm was predictive and could identify threats that might not be obvious. Given that Strange eventually became a superhero, the algorithm worked. 
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Adam S. - I believe that the Marvel Comics have next to nothing to do with the MCU, so any timeline in the books probably wouldn't relate very well to the films.

Trevor K. - Let's remember that the list of targets was 200,000, so it's not terribly unlikely that Stephen Strange might be of interest. And as it ended up that they were right... maybe it's not quite so BSish... However, if this really deals with Stephen Strange, the famous surgeon*, and of the character Doc had before the accident, I can't imagine Hydra would have too much trouble simply hiring him as their own private surgeon. They could likely afford him - especially as they were "pocahing" from S.H.I.E.L.D.'s deep pockets.

*Corollary: Smart as Zola was, and as interested as the Red Skull was in mysticism, I still am not sure he could account for magic in his algorithms.

Dr. Strange's MCU timeline is terrible... especially when one of the first things to happen when he is allowed into the Ancient One's sanctum and school*, he gets a Wi-Fi password. Kinda cute, yeah, but about as time sensitive as Doc replying that he wanted it to watch reruns of Murphy Brown.

*And Chinese laundry. Hey, ya gotta pay for those bills somehow...

Myself, I'm just interested in the spell that allows a stein to constantly refill with beer. I'm not sure the Vishanti know that one... but I'll bet it goes over like gangbusters in Asgard and Olympus.
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I would think anyone with Strange's level of intelligence, notoriety, and ability (as a surgeon) who wasn't already recruited to Hydra would ping as a potential threat to them (as would have a pre-Iron Man Tony Stark).

The Ancient One did tell Smart Hulk in ENDGAME that he was 5 years too early (in 2012) when looking at the Sanctum for Doctor Strange, and that he was conducting surgery about 20 blocks away.

In DOCTOR STRANGE, they not only stated he had an unusually strong aptitude for the mystic arts and was a quick study, but he was also shown "cheating" by using the Time Stone to get much more studying time in (potentially years?) than the relatively short span of the movie. 

This still doesn't give him much actual battle experience by the time INFINITY WAR rolls around, but he clearly adapts and improvises well.

The Ancient One also knew in 2012 that he was "meant to be the best of us", so it's possible his name was "whispered in shadows" for years prior to his becoming Master of the Mystic Arts, for those versed in such things. 
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There’s nothing stating he didn’t go into another dimension where time flows differently and spent a few years there training while little or no time occurs here on earth. 
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One of my least favorite tropes is “It didn’t actually SAY...”

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Yeah, I’m not a fan of it either. Just trying to make Adsit feel better. 
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@Brian Miller - Yup.

The movie made a few things clear.

Stephen Strange has a photographic memory and is a highly talented person both in physical skill (his super delicate surgical procedure as illustrated in the film).....and....mental capacity.

He ‘trained’ to become a mystic while ‘out of body’ (where time likely isn’t the same as the physical plane).....meaning he used magic to help him learn magic.  It’s stands to reason that what he accomplished in months might have taken others years or perhaps decades...and he walking into the situation ALREADY miles ahead of most.



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SCOTT: Is there a definitive proof of Strange's timeline and its relation to the other movies?

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Tuesday, Feb 2, 2016, 5:15pm: In a clearly post-AVENGERS Manhattan, Strange finishes preparing for an evening gala he will never attend and heads down to his car.


Late Fall/Early Winter 2016: Months into his recovery, Strange shows up at a game of rooftop hoops (on a cold gray day during which the players are wearing sweats and knit caps) and is told of a unique healing opportunity in Nepal.

Jan 2017: Mordo rescues Strange from muggers in Kathmandu and returns the doctor's stolen watch. The face is shattered and the year partially obscured but presumably it still works, as the month now reads "January", indicating that nearly a year has passed since the accident.


Winter 2017/2018: After an unspecified number of months training, Strange has a final conversation with the Ancient One during a snowstorm in New York just prior to his final battle with Kacillius and Dormammu.

2018: Strange meets Thor and Loki.

2012: The Ancient One confirms the above timetable, telling Bruce Banner that he’s “about five years too early” to find Dr. Strange, who is currently in surgery.
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