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Marc Baptiste
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 6:24am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Bill,

I believe transgenderism is real - probably something in brain structure and/or chemistry that results in a female-patterned brain in a biologically male body or a male-patterned brain in a biologically female body.  I am no scientist, but I would bet dollars to donuts that this brain structure/chemical divergence from the biological body takes place in utero.  

HOWEVER, I do agree that as a society, we have been too quick to embrace this idea of dozens of sexual orientations and gender identities.  I am not going to make any friends in the LGBT community by saying this, but I think it is simple, base arrogance (like a child that is raised in an overly permissive home) that has caused individuals to expand these categories and definitions beyond all common sense and scientific fact(s).

From what I know through anecdotal evidence and multiple courses in human sexuality, variations in human sexuality (there is such a course offered at SFSU), a cluster of courses focused on LGBT issues and basic biological science - there is heterosexuality, homosexuality and a spectrum of degrees comprising bisexuality.  As for gender, I believe there is biological male, biological female, intersex individuals/genetic mosaicism, and transgendered individuals (a male oriented brain in a biologically female body or a female oriented brain in a biologically male body). 

Hard to argue with DNA and decades of medical science.

Marc
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The pendulum swings, always one extreme or the other, with never, it seems, a happy medium.
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How can a man or woman be satisfied with the "opposite sex" all his life, already that he does not satisfy the same person all his life and goes "see elsewhere" in most couples and if there is also actually "bînome" in us , with the women's and men's poles, we should be guilty of it... I was very early attracted to girls and then very early also by the "men" (which I found almost all more beautiful than the others at the time)... And I only "likened" the same sex as mine from my 16 years and at 21 years old while I was practically in love with "all" (and "all"), by "fear" by "guilty" from which I am (and fortunately) released since I was 28 years old. Bisexuality is a real problem to 'identify', find one's identity
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

so sapiosexuality would pass through the view, the "sounds" (a soft and suave voice, "serious...)
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Bill Collins
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Marc, i`m not denying transgenderism exists, i just have
a problem with all the supposed sub-categories that have
suddenly sprung up, and the offence taken by those that
use them if someone unwittingly gets it wrong! How about
live and let live?
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He who is not tolerant with others does not in principle have it towards himself When to the "sub-genres", as you say with a hint of "ostracism", he has always existed and was only waiting for a green light to "explode".
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

Bill,

Please don't let me prefacing my post with "I believe transgenderism is real" as saying that you didn't.  I was simply starting my post wanting to be clear as to where I find myself on that particular issue.  

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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

No problem! As i said, live and let live, that includes
being forgiving of people who don`t know which of
numerous gender sub-categories you identify with on a
particular day!It`s a minefield out there i tell ya!
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It’s a minefield...

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Okay, it’sa your field. Let’s move on!

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Stephen Churay
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

My issue with a lit of this nonsense is
that if you don't go along with whatever
ridiculous idea some people have to feel
beeter about themselves, you're a garbage
human, and must have your life destroyed.
Too much "feeling" and not enough
"thinking."
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As far as transgenderism being real or a choice. I don't
know. I don't suffer with such conflict. I do know there
are a few born with a mutation giving them the
development of both sexes. Parents are generally asked to
choose. Sadly no real study of the baby's chromosomes is
done to aid the decision. In that case I believe
transgenderism is not a choice.   

What I do know is, the suicide rate for transgenders is
42%, whether you have the surgery to transition or not. I
think a lot of the current full court press for
acceptance is a means of quelling a form of depression
that community sufferers from. Again, my lack of
understanding if it is genetic, environmental, or a
choice isn't born out of a lack of acceptance but of
ignorance on my part. There is a bunch of therapists who
are telling people that there's nothing wrong with them.
If depression is a common problem, then therapy should
concentrate on that.

Edited by Stephen Churay on 21 September 2019 at 1:47pm
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

That high suicide rate is deeply disturbing. It seems the “solutions” are anything but.
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