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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 6:24am | IP Logged | 1
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Bill,
I believe transgenderism is real - probably something in brain structure and/or chemistry that results in a female-patterned brain in a biologically male body or a male-patterned brain in a biologically female body. I am no scientist, but I would bet dollars to donuts that this brain structure/chemical divergence from the biological body takes place in utero.
HOWEVER, I do agree that as a society, we have been too quick to embrace this idea of dozens of sexual orientations and gender identities. I am not going to make any friends in the LGBT community by saying this, but I think it is simple, base arrogance (like a child that is raised in an overly permissive home) that has caused individuals to expand these categories and definitions beyond all common sense and scientific fact(s).
From what I know through anecdotal evidence and multiple courses in human sexuality, variations in human sexuality (there is such a course offered at SFSU), a cluster of courses focused on LGBT issues and basic biological science - there is heterosexuality, homosexuality and a spectrum of degrees comprising bisexuality. As for gender, I believe there is biological male, biological female, intersex individuals/genetic mosaicism, and transgendered individuals (a male oriented brain in a biologically female body or a female oriented brain in a biologically male body).
Hard to argue with DNA and decades of medical science.
Marc
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 9:28am | IP Logged | 2
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The pendulum swings, always one extreme or the other, with never, it seems, a happy medium.
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stephan Etienne Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 15 September 2019 Location: France Posts: 48
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 11:44am | IP Logged | 3
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How can a man or woman be satisfied with the "opposite sex" all his life, already that he does not satisfy the same person all his life and goes "see elsewhere" in most couples and if there is also actually "bînome" in us , with the women's and men's poles, we should be guilty of it... I was very early attracted to girls and then very early also by the "men" (which I found almost all more beautiful than the others at the time)... And I only "likened" the same sex as mine from my 16 years and at 21 years old while I was practically in love with "all" (and "all"), by "fear" by "guilty" from which I am (and fortunately) released since I was 28 years old. Bisexuality is a real problem to 'identify', find one's identity
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stephan Etienne Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 11:59am | IP Logged | 4
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so sapiosexuality would pass through the view, the "sounds" (a soft and suave voice, "serious...)
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
Joined: 26 May 2005 Location: England Posts: 11247
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 12:03pm | IP Logged | 5
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Marc, i`m not denying transgenderism exists, i just have a problem with all the supposed sub-categories that have suddenly sprung up, and the offence taken by those that use them if someone unwittingly gets it wrong! How about live and let live?
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stephan Etienne Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | 6
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He who is not tolerant with others does not in principle have it towards himself When to the "sub-genres", as you say with a hint of "ostracism", he has always existed and was only waiting for a green light to "explode".
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Marc Baptiste Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 12:46pm | IP Logged | 7
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Bill,
Please don't let me prefacing my post with "I believe transgenderism is real" as saying that you didn't. I was simply starting my post wanting to be clear as to where I find myself on that particular issue.
Thanks! Marc
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Bill Collins Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 12:56pm | IP Logged | 8
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No problem! As i said, live and let live, that includes being forgiving of people who don`t know which of numerous gender sub-categories you identify with on a particular day!It`s a minefield out there i tell ya!
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 9
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It’s a minefield...•• Okay, it’sa your field. Let’s move on!
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 1:25pm | IP Logged | 10
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My issue with a lit of this nonsense is that if you don't go along with whatever ridiculous idea some people have to feel beeter about themselves, you're a garbage human, and must have your life destroyed. Too much "feeling" and not enough "thinking."
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Stephen Churay Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 1:42pm | IP Logged | 11
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As far as transgenderism being real or a choice. I don't know. I don't suffer with such conflict. I do know there are a few born with a mutation giving them the development of both sexes. Parents are generally asked to choose. Sadly no real study of the baby's chromosomes is done to aid the decision. In that case I believe transgenderism is not a choice.
What I do know is, the suicide rate for transgenders is 42%, whether you have the surgery to transition or not. I think a lot of the current full court press for acceptance is a means of quelling a form of depression that community sufferers from. Again, my lack of understanding if it is genetic, environmental, or a choice isn't born out of a lack of acceptance but of ignorance on my part. There is a bunch of therapists who are telling people that there's nothing wrong with them. If depression is a common problem, then therapy should concentrate on that.
Edited by Stephen Churay on 21 September 2019 at 1:47pm
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John Byrne
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Posted: 21 September 2019 at 4:05pm | IP Logged | 12
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That high suicide rate is deeply disturbing. It seems the “solutions” are anything but.
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