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Posted: 22 September 2019 at 6:48am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Of course, many journalists are also assuming that, and that's the most worrying thing.

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"Journalists" getting stuff wrong about comics and superheroes?? Surely not!!

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Carlos Velasco
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Posted: 22 September 2019 at 9:53am | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Ironically, I just realized that the first time I saw Batman appear in one of my comic books happened in Action Comics 594 (Superman v2 029 in Spain), drawn and written by a artist that some of you might know:


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I did a lot of drawings of the “modern” Batman before I got to do BATMAN & CAPTAIN AMERICA. There I drew the Forties/Fifties version, the one I’d been introduced to as a child. When I saw him appearing out of my pencil I thought “Hello old friend!”
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Posted: 22 September 2019 at 10:26am | IP Logged | 4 post reply

The love put into BATMAN AND CAPTAIN AMERICA really came across on the page. It's one of my favorite comics period. 
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ITEM: Wallace S. queried: "How old should Batman be now?" My wife posited that, chronologically, he should be 104. Myself, I think Batman should be 30. I think Bruce Wayne should be around 104. I'm pretty much basing this on Batman Beyond's logic. Bruce Wayne simply cannot physically be Batman any longer - if he's even still alive. But I believe that there will be successors to Batman.

ITEM: The initial question, do I like Batman, is a tricky one. I haven't read new Batman in so long that all I know is what i read in the papers. But I hate the psychotic Batman. Can't stand him. There are limits to what makes a hero, and when those are exceeded, I'm out. At one point in the mid-80s, Luthor and Brainiac were changed to somewhat psychotic villains, and I thought that there time was up. During Identity Crisis, a lot of super villains found out that their memories were affected, and they thought, "That's it! Now I'm REALLY out to get Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman/the Creeper/the Inferior Five/Shade/etc." Yes, I know that a lot of them weren't involved in the memory wipe, but crazy writers will rationalize that villains don't need a reason.* And some of the heroes started down those roads as well... forget it. These are comic books, not vengeance-porn for why some writer got bullied in fifth grade.

ITEM: I started becoming aware of Batman from the Justice League of America, and from the Batman TV show. That TV show was my first exposure to the Caped Crusaders, so that tempered my first impression of them. When I finally got over that, I found that I liked a little less camp. When I really got going on Batman, I found that the 40s and early 50s stories appealed to me. Then the 70s versions of Batman got me too. Thus, those are the version I like best... and I feel that Batman works best with Robin.

ITEM: There are other brief periods of Batman I liked. I kinda enjoyed Batman and the Outsiders, but he was still too much a bully, with very few redeeming qualities. I liked Mike W. Barr and Alan Davis' span on Batman. And I have Batman and Captain America on my top five list of Batman stories... but I don't know if that counts as a 90s era Batman or a 40s era Batman. That led into Generations, which is also a favorite.

ITEM: I hated The Dark Knight Returns and all its associated stories. The art was muddy, the stories were about a crazy Batman - acceptable in TDKR Return specifically because it's Batman in the future - I could understand him being nuts because of encroaching senility. But when Miller and DC made it part of his "real" origin, that was the breaking point.

So I liked the World's Greatest Detective, Disguise Artist, Escape Artist, etc. A rational and likable character - friend of Gotham's decent citizens, and terror to Gotham's villains.

*Why, I wondered, would enemies of Batman or Green Arrow want to give them reason to really take off on them? Batman vs the Joker, for example, was quite a conflict as is; but when Batman got pushed too far and the Joker returned to Arkham missing several teeth, a badly broken jaw, and a pair of ruined legs, perhaps that might have beena bit of a lesson.
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Posted: 22 September 2019 at 11:38am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

People have asked who my favorite character is, and I used to say it was a tie between Batman and Captain America.

Can’t say that any more. Too many qualifications needed.

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Posted: 22 September 2019 at 11:39am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I first met Batman when I was seven. Not sure if it was the TV show or the comics because I discovered both about the same time. Though my first comic was some old JLAs my uncles had left at my grandmother's house. So I'll say comics via the JLA. 
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JB and then Berni Wrightson were the first artists that I can recall that drew Batman's cape and cowl all-black. Glad to see that that little change caught on!

In the BMW Vantablack discussion, I had wondered if it were possible or feasable to have a live-action Batman with a cape/cowl that material and color.
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A 90-year old Bruce Wayne could be an interesting character. A 90-year old Batman? Not bloody likely.

I am happy to report that Peter Tomasi is writing a very well-adjusted Batman in DETECTIVE COMICS and Scott Snyder is doing the same in JUSTICE LEAGUE. He even acts like a compassionate person!!

I loved THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS when it came out. In retrospect I wish it hadn't come out (despite the beautiful Miller/Janson artwork -- that I still love). It had a very, very bad influence not just on Batman comics but comics in general. "Grim and gritty." 

Side note: I don't think WATCHMEN had that much influence on '90s superhero comics. That came later, in the early 21st century, with series that just should not have been written, like IDENTITY CRISIS. Batman became more brutal after DARK KNIGHT but he didn't turn into a killer like Rorshach.


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Oh, and I still love BATMAN: YEAR ONE. That's never going to change. 
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Posted: 22 September 2019 at 12:39pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Oh, and I still love BATMAN: YEAR ONE. That's never going to change.

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It never ceases to amaze me how pliable are the minds of some fans.

My work on Superman was announced as a “reboot”—a hip and happening word as all the DC editors got brand new Mac computers. BATMAN: YEAR ONE was announced as a “retelling”. (DC had learned their lesson.)

So MAN OF STEEL was savaged in some quarters for “changing everything,” while YEAR ONE was applauded for taking all the jumbled pieces of Batman’s history and “making sense” of them

Yet, for the most part, the reverse was true. MAN OF STEEL scraped off decades of barnacles and put things in a modern context, while YEAR ONE simply threw stuff away. A new backstory for Alfred. For Catwoman. For Jim Gordon. For Barbara. And when Peter Sanderson interviewed Frank and asked him why he made those changes, Frank said he didn’t think he had! Hadn’t Alfred always been the old family retainer? (No, he joined the mythos after Robin.) and Catwoman had no origin story before, right? (Wrong.). And so on. All of which became canon.

(Frank’s mutant power. He barely touched Wolverine, but his presence is felt even to this day.)

Ah, well.

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Posted: 22 September 2019 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

In the BMW Vantablack discussion, I had wondered if it were possible or feasable to have a live-action Batman with a cape/cowl that material and color.

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It would be interesting to put Batman in blue (or green) and then superimpose solid black over those colors.*

Which, of course, would be the best way to do the classic Havok costume.

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* This just in: John Byrne thinks Batman’s costume should be GREEN!

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