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David Schmidt
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Posted: 07 November 2019 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I met my wife when she was 12. I was 23. Her parents were acquaintance of mine.

We fell in love 12 years later and married when I was 39. She was 28 at that time.

From time to time I had a thought about that story Marvel finds "creepy" today and had a little smile.

Of course nothing sexual or romantic crossed my mind when she was a kid and I a young man.

Those Marvel guys are stupid and it makes me a little angry.


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Mark Haslett
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How many many many pages of faces and faces and faces looking and looking and looking around...

ALL to undo what was seen in one panel of the comic 30 years earlier.

Never say Tom Brevoort hasn't spent his time at M****l wisely.
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Posted: 07 November 2019 at 5:03pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

WHO THE HELL CARES? It's a comic book with unusual characters in it already, so prurience doesn't count.

A ten year difference? Fine. Who's to know? I'm 58, but a couple years back, when I played Daddy Warbucks in Annie and pulled a Professor Xavier, I got guesses of my age from 40 to 50 and everything in-between - but nobody went to 56. And I'm not nearly as handsome as Reed Richards. I look a lot like I did when I graduated high school.

Are the writers REALLY so desperate, or the trivia-engorged fans SO full of ennui that this is what they look at in a comic? Aren't there, like, stories and art around such instants?

You'll pardon a comment, but they can sit on their thumbs and twirl while they discuss such. Me, I'm wondering how the hell they're going to get out of Doom's latest trap - FF androids that deliberately avoid fighting their cognates! Unless Reed can complete that jammer that interferes with their differentiating between each other and the REAL FF!
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Posted: 07 November 2019 at 5:06pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

I'm a firm believer that--if there are continuity disputes--the higher quality comics win.  The JB run is better than than the Matt Fraction run, therefore Reed met Sue when she was 12.

Side note: Likewise, any Batman story at DC that disagrees with the O'Neil/Adams run (or the Englehart/Rogers run) gets thrown on the garbage heap for me.

Word of advice to newer creators--Don't do work that conflicts with the classics; you will not look good.
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Posted: 07 November 2019 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Similarly biased in favour of quality over here - in any argument, JB's versions win hands down for me, as I can trust that I'm always getting well-crafted stories that respect the characters while also throwing some creative angles & twists I'd not considered.

Basically, end of.


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Vishwas Aragam
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 QUOTE:
I'm a firm believer that--if there are continuity disputes--the
higher quality comics win.


This only is an issue if you are reading over decades though.

If a kid was reading Fraction’s run (which I’m sure is unlikely), wouldn’t
that be the only continuity for them? They wouldn’t go to read a 30 year
old comic to get the best continuity.
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Kevin Brown
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10 year gap?  That's minor.  There's a 15 year gap between me and my wife.  She's the older one.  We also met for the first time when I was 32 (I'm 56 now).  So I have NO issues with large age gaps between married couples, regardless of when they met.
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Christopher Frost
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Posted: 07 November 2019 at 9:32pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

A ten year gap can be a major difference if we are talking about young people. A 32 and a 42 year old? No big deal. A 12 year old and a 22 year old? Now that's an issue as one of them is practically still a child.
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If a kid was reading Fraction’s run (which I’m sure is unlikely), wouldn’t
that be the only continuity for them? They wouldn’t go to read a 30 year
old comic to get the best continuity
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That how continuity in comics USED to be!  With so much work being collected these days, I think the older stories are being seen as much as (if not more than) the current monthlies.

JB's FANTASTIC FOUR  was read by hundreds of thousands of people--and it's STILL being collected and read today!  Same thing with the Lee/Ditko SPIDER-MAN and the Lee/Kirby FF.  I can walk into any comic shop OR Barnes & Noble and buy those editions any day of the week.

JB says (in another thread) that people should just forget about the Dark Phoenix Saga--but THAT keeps getting reprinted too!  Altogether, more people DID read--and ARE reading--JB's X-MEN & FF than Fraction's.


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David Schmidt
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When you look at that panel you understand immediately that there's a teenager having a crush for a young man who's just not comfortable with a kid this age. 

That's how I understood it when I was a young teenager and that's how I understand it now.

I don't know what to think of a comic books publisher who's unable to look at a picture...
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Posted: 08 November 2019 at 3:19am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

I saw a lot of parallels between Sue/Reed and Kitty/Peter - 12/13 year old having a crush on an older person - it happens. For both boys and girls.

Nothing happened while they were still underage and the older young man did not follow through, being embarrassed by the crush (well, until CC DID follow through in X-Men 166, which was a mistake in my book).

Didn't need a rewrite. 

I've never read it but Fraction writes Sex Criminals for crying out loud.
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Leigh DJ Hunt
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Posted: 08 November 2019 at 6:04am | IP Logged | 12 post reply

Well, why are we worrying about it? It's a four year old article about a seven year old run. Things move on. Someone else could just as easily retcon the retcon which would in itself be silly as a lot more people have read JB's run as Fraction's.
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