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Wilson Mui
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Posted: 23 February 2020 at 7:46am | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I think Bernie is winning because he is getting the majority of the really
liberal votes while the other four candidates have to share the
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Peter Hicks
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Posted: 23 February 2020 at 2:23pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

But Bernie is pretty close in policy to Warren.  The two of them are sharing the same voters, and most of her supporters should move to Sanders if and when she decides to drop out of the race.
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A big part of the reason Bernie is winning so far is that two of the three contests have been caucuses.  Bernie's supporters/followers tend to skew younger and more fanatical, which increases the likelihood they are willing/able to spend several hours navigating the caucus system.  We saw this four years ago... in my state (Washington) Bernie overwhelmingly won the caucus (72% for him, 27% for Hillary) but Hillary won the primary (54% to 46%).  230,000 people participated in our caucus, whereas 600,000 voted in the primary.  In 2016 Washington's primary was only a symbolic vote and the caucuses were how delegates were awarded, but in large part because of these skewed and undemocratic results, the state Democratic party will be using the primary vote to award delegates this year, and not having a caucus.
It's safe to say that if all states used primaries, Bernie would not be as far ahead, or possibly not ahead at all at this point.
 


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I don’t think the handful of states with caucuses switching to primaries would affect polling data.  At all.  Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, out of the current field of Democratic candidates, that Bernie is the most popular?

I really don’t get the Bernie hate anyway.  What, are people terrified that he wants to give their kids healthcare and education?
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Posted: 23 February 2020 at 4:44pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

Bernie’s percentage of the caucus votes was bigger than the 3 moderate candidates COMBINED!

It’s amazing watching people twist themselves into knots trying to reason or justify what’s going on.  

And Steve is correct.  A candidate for President who has been trying to implement healthcare, education and political finance reform for DECADES...has people so scared they would rather support candidates who tell them to their faces they aren’t going to change much of anything!  It’s astonishing.  

This country is being tested.  If we all get together and realize FOR ONCE that voting for the betterment of people you don’t know or will never meet will BENEFIT YOU more than any vote you could cast with your own feelings and agenda in mind.  But if we continue to be fearful and most of all selfish (“I‘ve got healthcare!  I’m not supporting giving it to everyone!”) then we may fail and end up with Trump.  


This is why I support Bernie.  It isn’t him as a person.  It’s the policies he has been all about since dirt was new.  The fact that he is an old man only cements the notion.  He means this shit with all his heart.  It isn’t poll tested or run through the marketing firms or focused grouped.  This is the guy’s heart and soul.  Policies that work for the commonwealth. 

What the hell is wrong with that? 


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Absolutely, vote for Bernie over Trump, if that's where things end up. Part of being a responsible adult is voting not so much for someone but for the best available option left to you, even if some of the Bernie believers wouldn't. I would like him to get to work on your healthcare and on your finance regulation reforms. I don't believe he will be able to as president be able to do a lot of what he is promising even with both houses in Dem hands. Then again, I thought Trump wouldn't have been able to do a lot of the stuff he's been doing (I predicted he would get frustrated and quit after about a year, who knew the Republican party would roll over to this obscene extreme?). They wouldn't allow Obama to even do basics required of his job.

Good luck with the Medicare for all ever being close to what's promised, or at all smooth... it would be a huge change for the U.S., and right now ours is seriously failing depending where you are in Canada and what your issues are, with really no alternatives unless you are that top 1%, like many politician's families whose members just happen to be outside the county when they have to get something medically dealt with or otherwise can afford to go wherever they decide and not need any of the Canadian system again. I understand right now a lot of people in the U.S. have no choices either plus have to pay a lot or even go without some or all of what you simply need. Some of our problems are from ideological neo-conservatives getting to undo things or simply to undermine our system. I remember one that passed things making it easier for unions to strike and people thought, oh, look how moderate and accommodating, but it was a Scott Walker type action that they knew over the long term enough people would be turned against the unions for them using that right too much. It set the stage really for them to come back in on the basis of see what those far-left types have done?

I would worry if the independent Bernie can work with Democrats and vice-versa if they even were to get both houses. Jimmy Carter had big problems just working with the system, but he was more of an outsider than Bernie Sanders, but you do have to compromise... that's the nature of a working system, you have to work with people you may know to be completely wrong, but they are there and it's required. Revolutionaries and grand vision types are usually not so good at the getting their hands dirty compromising.

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 Steve DeYoung wrote:
I really don’t get the Bernie hate anyway.  What, are people terrified that he wants to give their kids healthcare and education?
"Trepidation" would be a better word than "hate."  And I can only speak for myself, but I'm trepidatious about Bernie as the nominee because pushing the notion of Medicare for all is quite foolish politically.  Medicare for all is not going to be politically possible anytime in Bernie Sanders' lifetime.  And it's highly unpopular, and therefore something that can effectively be used against him to scare voters fearful of losing their existing insurance.  So he's going out on an limb and promising something he cannot deliver, which will scare a lot of people who might otherwise vote Democrat into not voting for him. 


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Wilson Mui
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Sanders really has bad policies. If he gets elected,
hopefully Congress will rein him in.

If he eliminates fracking, energy costs will likely go
up.

If he cancels NAFTA/USMCA, prices for a lot of products
will go up.

Nevermind the job losses from these actions.
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I'm actually all for eliminating NAFTA. Its the biggest mistake Bill Clinton did as President that didn't involve a certain dress.

But otherwise, I agree with you, Wilson.

I will vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination, but I am hoping that Bloomberg can pull it out. Of course, even if Bloomberg manages to win all the delegates remaining, the Sanders supporters will still start yelling `conspiracy'. 

Whoever gets the nod, I just hope they pick a good choice for their running mate.

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Jason Czeskleba
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 Brian Floyd wrote:
Whoever gets the nod, I just hope they pick a good choice for their running mate.
Especially if it is Sanders. When Reagan set the record for oldest person elected President, he was 69 years and 349 days old, and that seemed pretty old at the time.  Trump broke the record by being 70 years and 220 days old when he took office.  But Sanders is 78, so he's already older than Reagan was when he ended his second term.  With at least one heart attack under his belt, it's not unreasonable to speculate Sanders might not finish out his first term if elected.
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Posted: 24 February 2020 at 6:16am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Medicare For All is highly unpopular with the people who don’t want Medicare For All.

You can find polls that suggest 70% of Americans are very much in favor of it.  





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My goals in life are to make as much money as I can to live the life I want, to help family and people I want to help, and to tell everyone else to screw themselves.
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