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John Byrne
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Den of GeekSetting aside the numerous inaccuracies, take note of how quickly this sinks into fanboy faux ennui. sigh
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Mike Benson
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This guy really went out the way to be a sarcastic asshat.
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Joseph Gauthier
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The sneering references to dramatic poses strikes me as revealing of an attitude that might be shared by many comic pros, and might be a reason why comic art no so frequently no longer looks like what I remember comic books looking like. Obviously I'm not a mind reader, but it's hard to imagine that the following comparison isn't influenced by the attitude in question:
In this example, it's really hard for me to believe that the first image isn't in some way inspired by the second, but the artist of the first piece seems to ask why Cosmic Boy would need to stand in a dramatic pose in order to manipulate magnetic energy.
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John Byrne
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Dramatic poses are, of course, quick shorthand. They say “Look! Captain Fantastic is using his powers/abilities!” “Realistically”, someone like Jean would not have to gesture dramatically to use her powers, any more than I have to gesture dramatically to eat a sandwich. But it’s all part of the game we play, and when a reader/writer finds it necessary to make snarky remarks......... Well, time to move on!
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Brian Miller
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Well, now my ideas of how JB eats a sandwich are completely ruined.
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Matt Hawes
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Those panels taken from the 1980s "What If" issue,
that are used on that site... The Dark Phoenix
versus Professor Xavier scene... the art in that
issue was by Jerry Bingham. I forget who inked it,
but it wasn't Terry Austin, yet those particular
panels from that issue have always looked to me
like Austin inked them. I thought this since I
first read the comic in my youth. The rest of the
issue did not have that same look in regard to the
inks. I believe only one inker is credited for the
job, and I know Terry wasn't credited.
Does anyone know if Terry did uncredited inks on
that issue?
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Matt Hawes
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Dramatic poses are a staple of comic book superhero
stories since "Action Comics" #1 hit the stand.
Comics are a static, but visual medium. To make it
interesting, especially for an action story,things
are intentionally exaggerated. This guy writes
about comics regularly and doesn't grasp the
conventions of certain genre and the medium in
general?
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Rick Senger
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Rick Senger
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This and the previous images are from "How To Draw Comics The Marvel Way" by Stan Lee and John Buscema. Pretty much directly contradicts the initial author's complaints about too wide stances, etc.
Edited by Rick Senger on 08 April 2020 at 2:47pm
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Wallace Sellars
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Hmmm... I thought something about those purty pictures looked familiar...
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Rebecca Jansen
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I dunno what to say about dramatic poses other than comics are not movie storyboards on paper... definitely not since Jack Kirby.
As for all the 'versions' of the Phoenix story... must not... write new... story...yet... can't be... faithful to... original. In other words; a form of straining at stool? How's that for snark? Apologies to all re-bringers of wonder or adapters generally. I guess they are kind of stuck with previous stories so long as the characters are from another medium. I tried to check out the first animated version of Dark Phoenix... I got five minutes in and decided to just buy the original comics again.
Edited by Rebecca Jansen on 08 April 2020 at 3:11pm
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Rick Senger
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Wallace, I've had my HC edition since the late 70s... still consider it one of the very best nuts and bolts books for beginners interested in drawing comics art.
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